The only way to enforce this is letters of marque. Anyone holding such a letter can track down telemarketers and punish them.
France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
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Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#442Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, Spain went this route. We used to get telemarketing calls from random mobile phone numbers (or straight up "hidden" number), so was hard to really know where they came from, unless the person admitted it in the phone call. A year or so that was made illegal, and now every "unwanted telemarketing" call has to come from a landline with a regional code, or the toll-free numbers, which leads to them actually having…
My own bank in Spain calls me constantly cold from landlines.
Yeah, same, sadly the law makes exceptions for companies who already have existing relationships with you, but at least then you can vote against these sort of spam calls with your wallet.
How long you've been on Lista Robinson by the way?
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#443Article is not clear. Does this law blocks B2B calls? If so then it can cause damage to the business.
If you do a B2B call to someone's personal device, you should be arrested, straight to jail.
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#444This is a great move by France, but most of the rest of the world does not suffer from the telemarketing scam hell that Americans do. I am a US citizen living overseas. I have a US cell number that is only used for 2FA for US financial institutions. No one else has that number. I get more scam calls every day on that number than I do in a year on my local number. It's crazy. Most of the world has solved the worst of…
I live in the U.S., have a U.S. phone number, and get maybe one spam call every six months. (Spam texts about once a month, with the exception of before elections, when it’s more.) I wonder what causes the difference. Do I have a newer phone number that isn’t on as many lists? Or is my carrier filtering calls before they get to my phone? I briefly activated a second SIM on an MVNO that gave me a new number, and that…
In the words of an effeminate man from Life of Brian, Ooh you lucky bastard.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#445> On the other hand, France's new law has raised concerns in Morocco, where Employment Minister Younes Sekkouri, said in March that between 40,000 and 50,000 jobs were at risk in the country’s call centers. Sekkouri said the French market accounts for more than 80% of revenue in the sector. Never build a business around hassling other people. It's always at risk that laws will suddenly change and destroy your livelih…
It sounds like they could just block calls from Morocco and cut off much of the problem.
Not practical. There are quite a lot of French-Moroccans and extended families living in both countries and traveling regularly. There are also more than a few support centres for French companies because the local workforce speaks French and is cheap. That’s a lot of legitimate phone calls.
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#446Great idea! Telemarketers have ruined the phone network for me. I haven't answered an unknown call for the past 10 years, which sometimes means I miss important ones. 99.9% of all calls are an attempt to get money, and the 0.1% that's a dentist appointment, a friend that changed numbers or whatever become collateral damage. A ban is the right idea but I wonder how they can handle it, logistically. I think there needs…
The best technical solution I've seen is a spam review fee that turns into a reward and charged to the next closest originating peer.
For example say you get a spam call. You notify your service provider and pay $10 to have them review the call recording to verify that its spam. An employee listens to the call and determines that it is, in fact, spam. You get a $100 reward for reporting spam and your service provider forwards the charge (+10%=$110) to the peer network where the spam call originated. They will in turn forward it to the next peer, or if the originator is a customer, charge and/or close the offending account.
If this system is mandatory then the problem will quickly sort itself out.
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#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those people mostly use Whatsapp or similar at this point. Much cheaper and better quality.
Excuse me? What exactly do you mean by “those people??!” You’re on thin ice, buddy.
Come on! It was a reply. The people in question are in the parent. They are the "at least 900k+ people in France either immigrant from Marocco or with an origin and a 100k+ people with french nationality or origin living in Marocco". It’s rather obvious.
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#448We already had a system in France which is phased out. The difference is that that previous system was opt-in, and now it i the duty of the telemarketers to get authorization.
The problem is that many of the calls come from abroad (and most will move there), so there is no easy way to enforce this requirement. It is only if someone files a complaint ... and the authorities track the number abroad ... and match it to a French provider ... that it will work.
Anyway it is better than nothing.
I stopped to reply to calls that I do not have in my contacts. If it is important someone will leave a message or send an SMS/WhatsApp
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#449Meanwhile, the US cut out a special exception to the do-no-call list for political text spam, leading to me personally for about a year getting about 10-15 text messages a day from Democratic scam PACs that have to be "unsubscribed" from individually, from each of hundreds or thousands of phone numbers. So an exception, and the exploitation of a loophole. They'll never stop punishing me for having donated to Bernie a decade ago.
Even worse, the PACs known to be scams where 98% of their proceeds just go to known, named party insiders. Even if I were a Democrat, they'd just have been preying on me and playing me for a fool.
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#450Kudos to France. But the problem isn't telemarketing calls. It's the wholesale grab-fest of phone numbers from every.damn.nook.and.crany of the US soil. Hospitals, Car dealers, dentists, vets, brokerages, title offices... literally EVERY one of them is leaking YOUR information to everyone in the world. within a week of closing a deal on my house i get a scam paper mail that almost looked legit asking me to pay $100 t…
In US, deed is public (grantor name, grantee name, property id). That’s probably how the scammers knew that you are involved in a recently recorded deed, and offered to send you a copy if you pay them.
When my parents closed on a house, me, and all of my siblings, regularly and illegally got scam/spam calls for my parents' home. We are not on the deed. We are not involved in the transaction in any way.
Also, don't buy a car, either; that also generates a significant volume of incoming scams & fraud, although most of that is in the snail mail. (But "at least" there I am the person in the transaction … I guess?
But fraud is still fraud.