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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by trashb »

ColdStream wrote: post #252
soueuls wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived in China for a while a decade ago, studied at Tsinghua and did some research as well. IMHO you have more freedom in China than in Europe. Can you walk on the street and say "Fuck Xi Jinping" like you would in France with Macron? Probably not. But it's a completely useless freedom to have. At least in China you get relative safety when you walk on the street at night. And when the government decides to restric…

I will update an old Yakov Smirnoff joke. You see, China and the US aren't that different you know. In the US, I can go up to Donald Trump and say "I don't like Donald Trump. The policies of the republican government are rubbish!" In China, I can go up to Xi Jinping and say "I don't like Donald Trump! The policies of the republican government are rubbish!"

I think the difference is that in China the public are aware of the policies and they know how it will affect them if they say something dangerous. This keeps the power in check in a way since they can mostly only act on policies they have made clear before. In the US there is a false sense of freedom which makes the reasoning of power opaque and unchecked.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #278

I can't be the only one who will never comply with these draconian, anti-privacy laws, nor the only one with the technical prowess to bypass them. Never used social media (unless you count HN as social media, which is a stretch), so perhaps it won't be as great a loss as it will be to many. I have no doubt there are many like-minded people (in number if not in population %) that feel the same, and will undoubtedly re…

You won't make your website respect the child safety header?

Does it already have porn on it or Wil you add a bunch to become noncompliant?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

Barrin92 wrote: post #75

Didn't HN decide to not allow AI submissions? This is quite explicitly one in that the operator of the site declares to "automate investigative journalism" and launched the site with its five pieces of 'journalism' yesterday. And to point out the obvious on the actual quality of the piece, The US has itself passed age verification laws in 20 states, such as Texas where it was driven not by the British but by domestic…

It did, but moderation is based on outrage, and a bunch of nonsense outrage porn will always get to the top.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

doginasuit wrote: post #39

HN has this guideline for comments: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says. If the same standard were applied for posts, this one would fail. I recognize that it is a popular perspective that these measures are essentially a war on anonymity, but that is not what they intend to fix, although it is quite possible that anonymity is a casualty of whatever war is at hand. I believ…

Always a good day when HN guideline quotes are downvoted to the bottom of a thread.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #83
walrus01 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the modern internet is a harmful experience for young minds Because of the goal of advertising revenue as the ultimate driver as to build an addictive permanent scroll of slop on tiktok or instagram, and the desire of social media companies to build walled gardens where someone's entire online experience stays in their "app.". As you say, this affects young and old alike.

Capitalism. Your problem is capitalism. The so-called vaunted “free market.”

"free market" and "capitalism" are antonyms.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #432
inigyou wrote: post #404

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So why are ID checks necessary at venues that serve alcoholic drinks in particular, out of all the venues that exist?

1) venue is in meatspace, 2) age can be eyeballed, 3) they don't routinely hoard data, 4) they don't routinely leak hoarded data, 5) they aren't monopoly with billions of users routinely extorted for PII, 6) they don't routinely leak all that hoarded data, 7) they don't have bots, 8) they aren't connected to PRISM for routine surveillance, 9) they don't routinely leak all the hoarded data, 10) they don't sell hoarded…

> 1) venue is in meatspace, 2) age can be eyeballed, 3) they don't routinely hoard data, 4) they don't routinely leak hoarded data, 5) they aren't monopoly with billions of users routinely extorted for PII, 6) they don't routinely leak all that hoarded data, 7) they don't have bots, 8) they aren't connected to PRISM for routine surveillance, 9) they don't routinely leak all the hoarded data, 10) they don't sell hoarded data on black market, 11) they don't sell hoarded data to thousands of business partners, 12) they don't have thousands business partners that routinely hoard, leak and resell data

So your argument is that ID checks are necessary simply because they are possible, and not a privacy invasion?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by testfrequency »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #440
testfrequency wrote: post #385

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Always makes me chuckle when brits believe their law enforcement is anywhere near as toxic and corrupt as america’s.

I think getting arrested over online posts, buying a baseball bat or butter knife while they refuse medical aid to a victim that is bleeding out because the foreign attacker with the open carry bloody ritual knife called them racist, could be called "toxic". Not even mentioning there part in covering up grooming gangs on national level for being political inconvenient.

You know, I really wanted to say in my original comment I guarantee someone will bring up grooming gangs - and sure enough.

Now imagine grooming gangs, in addition to police shooting and killing civilians, on top of political corruption going unchecked, police stalking, in addition to every other terrible thing you could imagine.

The UK isn’t perfect, but the never ending sentiment that it’s the worst in the world because there’s an issue with grooming (which is an issue nearly everywhere sadly) is foolish. Brits have such high standards that you don’t even realise how much of a privilege it is to be annoyed about only a small handful of systemic global issues.

You’re not afraid to walk to your local for a pint and be shot in the head by a cop or kidnapped I suppose, right?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by BenFranklin100 »

tim333 wrote: post #438

I'd dispute there is a UK war on anonymity just because they've tried to stop showing kids porn and the like. The UK has always been kind of pro anonymity - there was ID during WW2 but it was scrapped after. There have been revolts against ID cards, you don't have to carry a driving license to drive and things like that. We've always had child protection though - film certificates, over 18 to buy porn mags etc. The n…

Yeah buddy, asking for a backdoor to all my private files on iCloud is just a noble attempt to protect children. What else are you selling?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by akimbostrawman »

testfrequency wrote: post #448
akimbostrawman wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think getting arrested over online posts, buying a baseball bat or butter knife while they refuse medical aid to a victim that is bleeding out because the foreign attacker with the open carry bloody ritual knife called them racist, could be called "toxic". Not even mentioning there part in covering up grooming gangs on national level for being political inconvenient.

You know, I really wanted to say in my original comment I guarantee someone will bring up grooming gangs - and sure enough. Now imagine grooming gangs, in addition to police shooting and killing civilians, on top of political corruption going unchecked, police stalking, in addition to every other terrible thing you could imagine. The UK isn’t perfect, but the never ending sentiment that it’s the worst in the world be…

>in addition to police shooting and killing civilians

If you look at actual statistics you know why it keeps happening. The chance to be shot if you don't act or live like them is miniscule.

>You’re not afraid to walk to your local for a pint and be shot in the head by a cop I suppose, right?

No "just" scared to open my mouth or defend myself or family with the little to none legal weaponary left that still exists from foreign attackers imported against our will which are excluded from such laws.

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