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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by kazinator »

bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

Gaddafi criticized Islamic fanatics; he was basically a good guy in the Middle East.

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Post by dudefeliciano »

godelski wrote: post #395
dudefeliciano wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> those in power will just learn to ignore us. This has already been the case for at least my whole lifetime. So no, I don't feel like praising them when they do one seemingly "good" thing, while simultaneously doing 99 "bad" things.

> This has already been the case for at least my whole lifetime. And for my entire lifetime people have acted the way I'm criticizing. So my request is "the status quo isn't working, let's try something different." So I'm not sure what your argument is. Maybe you see things differently than me and there is a time where we were more nuanced and provided signals for these big companies to course correct? I'm not a boom…

> provided signals for these big companies to course correct

We're on the subject of Zuckerberg: facebook is the poster child for enshittification. Do you think the idea to stop showing you your friends pictures and replace them with ads and ragebaiting short form videos came from the users?

> people have acted the way I'm criticizing.

You are ignoring the myriad of billionaire fanboys and enablers for whom the only metric of success is a persons net worth.

Looking at the state of things I don't think these people are deserving of nuance, in fact they've had it way too easy.

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Post by callmeal »

alex1138 wrote: post #429
andrewchilds wrote: post #344

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read Careless People by Sarah Wynn-Williams and see if you still consider them “okish”.

That book is hilarious. In a bad way. (Not the book. I mean that it's a bit tragic) Zuck refuses to meet with WORLD LEADERS in the morning because he's tired from the night before. Kaplan can't even find certain countries on a map (head of global policy). Zuck changes a speech midway through to talk about "We'll give Facebook to refugees" The internet is this vast, intellectual (in the academic, university, .edu sens…

> Mark "they trust me; dumb fucks" Zuckerberg

There's also Mark "company over country" Zuckerberg.

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Post by maleldil »

crabmusket wrote: post #419
maleldil wrote: post #412

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Is there any relevant model that meets that "open source" definition?

It depends on if you count https://allenai.org/ as relevant?

I'm familiar with Ai2. I've used their resources extensively over the years. However, no one is using Olmo for "serious" work, and the name is only known to a small subset in academia.

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Post by mirekrusin »

zargon wrote: post #321
mirekrusin wrote: post #249

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There is no reliable evidence they won’t. Look at rate of progress, not today’s capabilities alone. The gap is shrinking, many tasks are already performed at super human level. Humanity doesn’t have monopoly on intelligence - it seems obvious to me it’ll be reached and surpassed without hard upper limit.

https://xkcd.com/605/

I think we have more than 1 data point for AI progress.

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Post by dpc050505 »

sicktriple wrote: post #413
bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

Applying value judgements to corporate bodies or institutions as if they have individual agency is a fallacy anyways. We should always look at these things materially. "Meta" can't be good or evil, because an idea can't have a morality. It's comprised of the individuals who make the decisions, sure, but those individuals are always going to be motivated by a plethora of reasons which are often contradictory, most not…

When the material conditions and the people at the top of all of the corporate world lead to decisions with awful ethical implications there's conclusions that should be reached.

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

canyon289 wrote: post #247
bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

Disclaimer, I work on Gemma and open models at Deepmind and the opinions here are my own There were open models from EleutherAI (GPT-Neo), Google Brain (T5X, Bert), and HuggingFace was promoting open models (and others doing open work I haven't listed here) all prior to 2023 and the big Chatgpt moment. https://github.com/EleutherAI/gpt-neo/releases https://github.com/google-research/bert https://github.com/google-res…

And yet it's not called eleuther.cpp or bert.cpp. And the famous subreddit isn't called r/localbert but r/locallama.

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Post by BrenBarn »

What a load of insincere hogwash. If Zuck wanted to dilute the power of large institutions he has several billion ways to do it other than making limp gestures in the direction of open source. The problem is that even if you take him at his word here, he's only willing to do more good and not less harm.

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Post by webninja »

Terretta wrote: post #415
Forgeties79 wrote: post #336

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I don’t understand how you can look at what’s happening right now and call people simply calling for caution “hysterical”

Did you know that if trains or cars go over 30 mph, it's disastrous for public health? Not from accidents. Just trauma from (ahem) acceleration: https://illuminatingfacts.com/the-train-speed-panic-why-peop... Reason that hysteria remains apropos now is that then, and now, we're figuring out how to deal with something beyond merely incremental change. Irony is roads and sidewalks should have changed much more. We neve…

You lost me when you said trains and cars shouldn’t go over 30mph. Lol, this sounds like Amish propaganda. Go buy your horse and buggy

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Post by dudefeliciano »

somenameforme wrote: post #439
Forgeties79 wrote: post #336

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I don’t understand how you can look at what’s happening right now and call people simply calling for caution “hysterical”

Not to be coy, but what is happening right now? You definitely have some scams and some software flaws being exposed, but I think for a revolutionary leap in tech this is all quite muted. Revolutionary tech advances often come with some severe consequences. For instance, to this day (after a century of safety improvements) cars still kill more than a million people a year, to say nothing of wrecking the atmosphere, b…

> what is happening right now?

I assume they are referring to LLMs escaping confinement and hacking other companies systems unprompted

> considered a reasonable price to pay

That's not a universal opinion and perhaps, just like for LLMs, we should have listened to the experts rather than gobbling up everything the industry pushed down our throats (to keep your car simile: SUVs are now ubiqutous in all European cities, there is no logical reason that should be the case)

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