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Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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That’s pretty amazing, credit to Microsoft. Modern-day weather models are pretty complex and running these kinds of simulations can be pretty demanding.

Was /s missed or this is AI generated counterpoint?

Every comment without an /s at the end is definitely 100% serious and unironic.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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AI writes code like that, but people get pretty upset hearing it. The program that I use to manage my small business, basically a GUI wrapper on an sql DB is a total delight to use, because everything happens instantly . Even opening it is instantaneous. Modern software is such a bloated mess that you kind of get used to a 20 second start-up and a .25-1 second delay on every action. Then you use something that isn't…

> AI writes code like that, but people get pretty upset hearing it. Yeah, people get upset when you spew out total bullshit. I work as a performance specialist and "AI writes code like that" is utter nonsense. AI writes the same terrible performing code that was the mediocre developer standard on Stackexchange and other codebases it ate. You still need a lot of vigilance and time to make well performing software and…

LLM coding assistants have a bias towards writing standalone implementations instead of pulling in libraries to do a job, which does tend to sidestep probably the most common cause of bloated software: pulling in too many layers of abstraction. Most software can be pretty damn fast (at least as far as users are going to notice) without needing too much of a focus on optimization, but just by not accidentally screwing it up.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Was /s missed or this is AI generated counterpoint?

Every comment without an /s at the end is definitely 100% serious and unironic.

Ah... now I know that Microsoft is running full weather simulations on each user desktop... pretty neat.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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And sometimes your engineers need to be a LOT less stingy. 1GB is clearly overkill for an app such as this, but ~300MB is perfectly acceptable if it works well, looks good and does what it should do. There is such a thing as overdesign, but when you’re building a modern application, you must trust your designer’s sense of aesthetics and knowledge of UX patterns—two things engineers are often notoriously bad at.

You're off by 2 orders of magnitude if you think that a not completely incompetently coded weather app genuinely needs that kind of resources - even allowing for aesthetic choices and modern UX patterns.

gp was talking about 87MB without animations how do you end up at your estimate?

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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My gaming PC that I built in January 2006 that IIRC I used to simultaneously run Battlefield 2, Trillian, Xfire, Thunderbird, and Winamp with a 1680x1050 monitor had 1 GB of total system RAM.

2 years ago I stated that we should stop worrying about software consuming a lot of ram. I had just built my pc with 128gb of ddr5 ram spending less than an average android phone (I think like $300). I would like to retract that statement. Thanks.

On the flip side, high 5 for getting 128gb of RAM at exactly the right time!

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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As time goes on, I become more and more convinced that OSes need some sort of OS level GC pool which all GCed languages play in rather than having the language runtime provide the GC. A major part of why these sort of simple applications are taking gbs of memory is because the GC wants to simply grow as much as it can to avoid pauses/jank. There might be 10% of the memory which is actually live in that 1gb. But becau…

These RAM prices weren't anticipated so there's been little time for software to adapt. Better monitoring could be a solution but this kind of thing wants to stay hidden.

Running the GC more often wouldn't save much. Dynamic programming languages simply allocate more objects and heavier objects especially with how we use them.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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My gaming PC that I built in January 2006 that IIRC I used to simultaneously run Battlefield 2, Trillian, Xfire, Thunderbird, and Winamp with a 1680x1050 monitor had 1 GB of total system RAM.

I remember within the last decade noting that minesweeper from the windows store took more space than a pretty damn healthy Win98SE install (with minesweeper)...

Yeah, but minesweeper was like 95% of Windows 98.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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That’s pretty amazing, credit to Microsoft. Modern-day weather models are pretty complex and running these kinds of simulations can be pretty demanding.

I also like the compatibility telemetry that uses all my CPU. Seriously, this is a problem since late Windows 7 or early Windows 10 I believe and I have seen so many systems wasting resources and running hot in summer for no reason at all.

Not only is this unwanted spyware, it is extremely inefficient spyware.

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The most-difficult part of installing any Linux distro is getting the motivation to create the boot media . Luckily for Ubuntu (I'm running v26) you can use an old HD or USB and then [your flavor of LLM] to then walk you through the steps on how to make the media bootable (at least: that's what I did). I am a bluecollar electrician (yes, it took me a few tries; yes, I accidentally fucked up my first few OS's doing st…

Sidenote: "AMD Drivers", in the sense of "something you have to download and install manually", are not a thing any more, fortunately. It's just nvidia now.

In Debian, even nvidia drivers are part of the OS repositories, albeit in the non-free category which is not enabled by default. I would be surprised if Ubuntu did not have them too.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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My gaming PC that I built in January 2006 that IIRC I used to simultaneously run Battlefield 2, Trillian, Xfire, Thunderbird, and Winamp with a 1680x1050 monitor had 1 GB of total system RAM.

I still miss Battlefield 2. There is really nothing like it today, not even close. The dynamics with squads and a commander and A+ physics and overall game balance remain unmatched for all FPS games. Fortnite, PUBG, COD, all are disgraceful in comparison.

Miss BF2 too. Sank way so many hours into that game as a kid. Still remember the wonderful loading music. 2142 was great too.

I'll never forgive EA for C&D'ing the community efforts to revive the servers. Fuck EA.

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