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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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>The concentration of deaths is entirely implausibly described as "suicides", The article talks about 19 people. Given the size of those organizations that's statistically elevated but too small a number to descend into conspiracy theories. As the article points out they apparently had internal warnings and studies about lack of mental support for people in signals intelligence and cyber related roles. Given that thi…

You supplant your lack of knowledge in statistics with unfounded assumptions and overt bias. The relevant metric here is number of deaths per size of the specified group and per time . You compare to completely different numbers and confabulate entirely unconnected "explanations". These deaths are most likely due to "housecleaning", as I said.

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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a quick search engine query 'is venting healthy' leads to results suggesting that venting (emotionally talking about things that affect mental health) is not necessarily an entirely positive behaviour. so the challenged statement is at least partially true. just wanted to share that the sarcasm looks abit silly coz it's not a clear cut situation

Venting and talking to a counselor aren’t the same thing, though. If someone says “taking medicine is bad”, and I say “that’s silly”, then “smoking crack can be harmful” doesn’t weaken my position.

the problem statement regarded 'talking about mental health'. venting is one form of talking about mental health. paying therapists is another form of talking about mental health. neither of these weakens the other. concomitantly, neither of these can have their positivity be extrapolated to the overarching point, as their positivities contradict. final result = ambiguity, we cannot conclusively state that talking about mental health is a universally positive pursuit. hence I pointed out you looked a bit funny coz sarcasm is best employed for that which can't be argued ... and we just argued. thanks & all the best

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Can you think of a single person who has cured their mental health problem?

Yes, I know many. Of course everyone has minor mental health problems but I know many who have basically cured mental health problems from depression to crippling OCD. None of them did it purely with counciling but with a vast combination of life experiances, including becoming more prosperous and being able to afford to excercise and enjoy a good diet and not have to worry about losing everything and starving to dea…

> Of course everyone has minor mental health problems

I think this is an extremely dangerous position to take.

We’re all flawed, the human condition and all that, but I don’t believe that necessarily translates to ’minor mental health problems’.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I was in the military and in my experience people that chose to go into war zones, it's optional, are fucked in the head and literally enjoy killing people, I've seen it a dozen times. They want to kill.

You are absolutely fucking full of shit. I chose to "go into war zones" many times and none of it was to "enjoy killing people".

Then you aren't one of the dozens he has seen?

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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News just in: talking about your mental health, especially for men, does not improve your mental health. For the majority of men, most of the time. If it did, shouldn’t we see mental health improving by now?

This is a fascinating assertion. I would love to read more about it. Can you please provide some sources?

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I suspect the Cold War of cyber warfare that is happening is orders of magnitude bigger than the public knows. Imagine knowing this and not being able to get emotional support from your friends and family.

Counterpoint, industry cyber security is so generally weak, if there were actually a secret "huge cold cyber war" on-going, we'd see real world impact. Since we don't, it probably isn't happening.

There are a lot of documented small scale hacks on American infrastructure by state actors. The prevailing theory I have heard was that the point is to find as many vulnerabilities in our internet-connected critical infrastructure, then sit on it until it’s needed. It doesn’t make news when a few water tanks overflow in a random tiny Texas city, but the principle is that these kinds of exploits may generalize to the infra of major cities.

Example: https://texasstandard.org/stories/russian-hackers-muleshoe-t...

So there is no need for a highly visible active cyber war. We have tons of cyber professionals working on this stuff day in and day out to help keep up prepared.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Counterpoint, industry cyber security is so generally weak, if there were actually a secret "huge cold cyber war" on-going, we'd see real world impact. Since we don't, it probably isn't happening.

I like the argument and it seems valid, but I have heard the opposite from people working in commercial cybersecurity.

People who work in commercial cybersecurity might have a vested interest in looking like warriors at least.

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Once you know about the NSA backdoors you become a walking security risk. Forget about that vacation in beautiful China, you will be held on a short leash for life.

It seems to me that if you end up adjacent to an operation that exposes you to certain technologies, you will be harassed and attacked with covert directed-energy weapons until you are suicided or institutionalized and discredited.

That's just schizobabble / TI bullshit (not saying their suffering is not true and worthy of empathy).

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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More like: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That wild claim needs some backing, lest we all be justified in making fun of it.

The extraordinary claim is that talking to a ‘counsellor’ or ‘psychologist’ has any net positive benefits that are measurable in any way.

The extraordinary claim at issue is YOURS:

> News just in: talking about your mental health, especially for men, does not improve your mental health.

> For the majority of men, most of the time.

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