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Canada plans 'nuclear renaissance' with up to 10 reactors built by 2040

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Exciting development. I really wish somebody would nail a commercially viable Thorium reactor but it seems there are real engineering complications around scaling molten salt reactors.

The trouble with molten salt thorium reactors is that they need an attached chemical plant that processes molten sodium mixed with radioactive elements. This is not something a utility wants to own, maintain, and operate. Here are some studies on such plants.[1] No full scale long-running salt reprocessing plant has ever been built. The great thing about boiling water reactors is that you just have to handle water. T…

(Molten salt, not molten sodium. There are molten sodium reactors, which have their own set of problems.)

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> nuclear reactors are capable of changing power output at 3-5% of nameplate capacity per minute This is not a technical problem, but nuclear plants already struggle to compete on cost of energy when running 24/7. Every minute such a plant runs at less than nominal output, those already bad economics grow worse.

> when running 24/7. Key word: running 24/7. Which neither solar nor wind can do. > Every minute such a plant runs at less than nominal output, those already bad economics grow worse. Is that why countries that boast "we have so much renewable energy now" tend to import electricity from stable sources (nuclear and hydro) the moment there's a long period of overcast skies with little to no wind?

Germany is notorious for that https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/DE/live/fifteen_min...

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It shouldn’t be the first time, this is what natural gas peaker plants have been about for 20 years. Solar and wind can’t sync the grid, they require sync or the grid collapses. Sync (Hz) can only be provided by base load that quickly spin up or down to balance out the frequency of the grid

That explains why Ontario built natural gas plants alongside its wind/solar rollout. That does not explain why Ontario needs more nuclear power generation some nebulous time in the future to support those same wind/solar installations per the original comment and parent reference.

It needs nuclear to avoid using gas. Ren will be curtailed anyway. May as well curtail them for nuclear. Germany is a prime example of fossils+ren combo https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/DE/live/fifteen_min...

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And you forgot the most important one, that justify nuclear over the alternatives: - is very far North and can't really use solar at all for 3 month per year because in winter the nights are long, the weather is terrible and the sun is always low in the sky.

Canada (at least the part with people) seems to be significantly more in the south than most of Northern Europe, where PV seems to work just fine?

Ren don't work just fine in Europe. There are serious challenges https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/DE/live/fifteen_min...

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Makes alot of sense. Canada has: - one of the largest uranium reserves - a well respected and safe nuclear design in CANDU - experience with building and refurbishing nuclear reactors(Darlington) and for Ontario itself A need for more baseload to work with the large amount of solar and wind that Ontario has added in the last 10 years. Saskatchewan also now has a potential need for nuclear for industrial use now that…

>A need for more baseload to work with the large amount of solar and wind that Ontario has added in the last 10 years. Once you have base load from nuclear why do you need solar and wind at all?

you can get cheaper power if you play the cards well. By this I mean sacrificing a bit nuclear CF but not too much. Also VRE can be paired with hydro up to it's capacity and the rest would be nuclear. This will give better results vs nuclear only grid

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>A need for more baseload to work with the large amount of solar and wind that Ontario has added in the last 10 years. Once you have base load from nuclear why do you need solar and wind at all?

Because solar and wind are renewable, cheaper and cleaner than nuclear. They don't require destructive mining for enriched uranium or create the security implications of dealing with fissile material. Solar/wind do not create long term hazardous waste that's complicated to dispose or create the risk of widespread radioactive fallout. They also help to decentralise the energy grid making it less dependent on a single…

Nuclear mining is mostly insitu nowadays and has low env impact. Env impact of nuclear is low in general https://unece.org/sites/default/files/2022-04/LCA_3_FINAL%20... and mining requirements are minimal

VRE do still create hazards, but at different supply chain steps - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6nly288j4o

Decentralization is not a feature but a bug- it needs massive grid investments which drives up prices in a era where you want prices to be low for electrification. France has the best of both - decentralized grid but centralized groups of power. This way grid costs less

Nuclear can be recycled. It's not done because it's cheaper not to.

And ren alone are not sufficient. Countries that have both nuclear and ren are in best position. This can be seen today in case of Germany vs France/Sweden https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/DE/live/fifteen_min...

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Makes alot of sense. Canada has: - one of the largest uranium reserves - a well respected and safe nuclear design in CANDU - experience with building and refurbishing nuclear reactors(Darlington) and for Ontario itself A need for more baseload to work with the large amount of solar and wind that Ontario has added in the last 10 years. Saskatchewan also now has a potential need for nuclear for industrial use now that…

I don't understand the online obsession with nuclear power in spite of all the evidence that it's simply not economical. Canada needs new power now. Not 15-20 years from now, which is how long it takes to build a new nuclear power plant. And it can be done today, incrementally with renewable sources and before anyone screams "baseload", that's what batteries are for if it really comes down to it. Nuclear power is the…

It's because you dont want to. Nuclear env impact is low https://unece.org/sites/default/files/2022-04/LCA_3_FINAL%20...

France has lower prices vs Germany and now, during peak summer heatwaves you can see who does best https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/DE/live/fifteen_min... . Germany spent on EEG alone so far double the cost of entire french fleet. Results are clear

HPC is not a rule but exception. And it'll work for more than 60 for sure. Existing nuclear is in fact cheap https://www.kkg.ch/de/uns/geschaefts-nachhaltigkeitsberichte... or check Lazard data for it

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I see that France has the most nuclear heavy grid and also some of the cheapest energy costs and lowest CO2 emission per unit energy in the world. When I see that matched by a solar / wind focused grid I will believe the cheap renewables hype. And even when I see that, the low energy density still has its own problems. The amount of resources needed for the panels and batteries is massive in itself. And the land area…

France has higher prices than several EU countries. Spain in particular has low prices thanks to their solar and wind, and the Nordics thanks to hydro.

Spain has better weather, more hydro, cheap African gas and still nuclear. And emissions are worse

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Absolutely ridiculous that I was down voted and flagged for some mild griping about the state of my province's inability to execute on infrastructure projects, but offhand jokes (I hope it's a joke) about nuking my home is completely fine? :/

Ridiculous whataboutism. What makes you think that anyone thought that it's completely fine? The comment is dead.

Downvoted? Seriously? It's an objective fact that the comment is dead, which refutes the claim that people thought it's completely fine. And the comment has nothing to do with some totally different claim that was downvoted, thus it is objectively whataboutism, and obviously ridiculous.

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From the article: "If our goal is to double our grid and build a low-carbon economy in less than 25 years, there is no credible plan to do that without nuclear energy and the clean, reliable baseload power it provides," Reduction in burning carbon and producing greenhouses is the number one concern of environmentalists and is a major driver of the increased acceptability of nuclear power production, especially if saf…

Reduction in burning carbon and producing greenhouses is the number one concern of environmentalists Is it? Nothing is more environmentally friendly than hydroelectric dams. In Canada, there are endless rivers to dam, while also leaving endless rivers undammed. Further, damming a river doesn't destroy nature, it does however turn a river into a lake. Over the years it takes to build and complete the project, includin…

> Is it?

Yes.

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