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Americans were our brothers. We had been partners for over a hundred years.
And yet... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red
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I don't think that is really relavent. Ukraine was essentially invaded because they became too friendly with NATO (and hence america). Even without a formal promise, other countries are going to notice america hanging ukraine out to dry and add that to their calculations when deciding who to be buddy-buddy with.
> Ukraine was essentially invaded because they became too friendly with NATO (and hence america). Also because it was considering joining the EU. The Russians threatened at least as early as 2008 that they would invade Ukraine if they did either. They actually invaded Ukraine in 2014 and captured a lot of territory. Why did the US and their European allies not plan for the Russians doing what they had threatened to d…
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True. But we seem like the least trustworthy people on earth at the moment. After israel, anyway. Trump has nothing to do with it.
> Trump has nothing to do with it. Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump? I’m curious what I may be missing.
The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump.
There is little to trust in the United States at the moment, you look a lot like the Weimar republic.
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This is 100% true and I agree with all of it, but I would just add that for fighter jets specifically the calculus is a bit different. Unless you want to buy Chinese jets your choices are either F35s or a big step down to 4th generation fighters that are materially worse in terms of capability. Modern 4th gen fighters are still very capable, cheaper, simpler and more reliable, but if you ever do end up facing an adve…
> so the trade off of choosing not to buy F35s is very real Amazing planes and all, but given that America is struggling to win the wars it starts, how useful are they?
Necessary but not sufficient.
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> Ukraine was essentially invaded because they became too friendly with NATO (and hence america). Also because it was considering joining the EU. The Russians threatened at least as early as 2008 that they would invade Ukraine if they did either. They actually invaded Ukraine in 2014 and captured a lot of territory. Why did the US and their European allies not plan for the Russians doing what they had threatened to d…
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If you want to believe that Russia had no military forces in Ukraine before 2022, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Or do you think Russia is in the habit of randomly transporting air defense systems with Russian crew through different nation-states they have nothing to do with? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Fi...
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> if you're referring to the "green men" in crimea: those were the ukranian (but culturally russian) garrissoned troops If you want to believe that Russia had no military forces in Ukraine before 2022, then I have a bridge to sell you. Or do you think Russia is in the habit of randomly transporting air defense systems with Russian crew through different nation-states they have nothing to do with? https://en.wikipedia…
that's not what i said, and supporting a warring faction doesn't really qualify as "invasion" nor "taking territory".
also, i would recommend very strict skepticism about politically sensitive content on wikipedia. it can still be useful for general timelines, but a simple check at the sources (when there are any) will reveal they tend to be overwhelmingly one-sided.
it's fine if you want to learn about, say, birds, engines or stars, though.
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And speech was from 1yr ago. The view has probably not improved since ?
Here's a video from this year from a French General that is more up to date on the current vibes https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XQJ5YEsNQws And for some more data than anecdote, the current polling where the US is now 14 points behind China in net approval. https://news.gallup.com/poll/707945/china-edges-past-global-...
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Considering the last sentence in the comment you are replying to, i doubt they missed it...
Their use of the word "probably" rather suggests they did miss it. By a country mile.
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In the past countries would buy American equipment even if it wasn’t the best fit because that would make you essentially an American ally. Being part of the U.S. ecosystem was valuable. Unfortunately, over the last 1.5 years, the political value proposition has turned by 180 degrees. - Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. But the U.S. has been tearing ag…
This is 100% true and I agree with all of it, but I would just add that for fighter jets specifically the calculus is a bit different. Unless you want to buy Chinese jets your choices are either F35s or a big step down to 4th generation fighters that are materially worse in terms of capability. Modern 4th gen fighters are still very capable, cheaper, simpler and more reliable, but if you ever do end up facing an adve…
4th (4.5th) generation that reliably works is something dependable, even if not top notch. Something tells me that if you took F-35 to russian-held Ukraine airspace, it may not survive that long anyway, its not like its unhittable as Iran showed. What decides that war is anyway drones in numbers and their skilled use, not anymore artillery, tanks or endless armies of poor illiterate fuckers.