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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by rrvsh »

antirez wrote: post #236

This lacks the sharp idea the Zero had. I have the feeling that in order to do something different, and not an evolution, the result will be borderline useless: a portable ARM computer with Wifi / satellite connection / ... And, then? What I can do with it? The evolution that I could like is a Zero with more CPU power, SDR and LoRa. Then let's implement all the cool protocols that it is possible to implement.

Do you look at your desktop and think what can I do with it? What an odd statement to make about a computer

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by rrvsh »

thrd wrote: post #143
kesor wrote: post #140

Instead of re-inventing Linux distributions for FlipperOS on top of Debian. They should just choose to base it on NixOS which already has these "profiles" as a built-in feature called "Specializations" https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Specialisation

They already tried it and got so much pain that they decided on an easier way.

Really? I'd love to see a link (not being facetious)

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by rrvsh »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #61
embedding-shape wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention you'd need REALLY large and durable pants/shorts pockets to fit a 27cm X 5cm X 20cm device that weights more than 1.5kg (yes, kilos!) compared to what the Flipper One will end up being.

I have the GPD Win Mini and it fits fine in my cargo pant pockets.

How many people wear cargo pants or would be willing to switch to wearing them to carry a GPD Win Mini around vs. how many people would prefer a device that fits in any of their pockets? Look at the market share of phones vs GPD Wins and you'll have your answer

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by rrvsh »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #87
NeckBeardPrince wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the Flipper market is trying to compete with devices like this.

If you're strictly taking about the Zero, I'd agree with you, but with the One they're entering a new market. I mean, kind of people who like to mess around with Linux and do hacker-y network-y things are also generally the kind of people who would prefer to use a keyboard, the kind who would love the extra hardware grunt to speed up tools like hashcat. And of course, the One will be cheaper than a full-fledged x86 h…

From the FlipCTL description, I'm surmising the intended use case is this as a cyberdeck aka using it for external tasks, vs. hacking on it at home with your actual keyboard. For example you make a config for X task at home and perform X task on the go. I do not see any indication that this is meant to be a primary device

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by rrvsh »

GJim wrote: post #176
ymolodtsov wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://gizmodo.com/the-company-behind-the-flipper-zero-hack... >> Flipper’s goal is to sell the device for around $350.

With that money going to Russia. Just sayin'. EDIT: The above is a perfectly factual statement about the Flipper. The downvotes are presumably coming from the pro-Russia bots and shills.

Yes there are a lot of pro-Russia bots and shills with 1000+ karma on HN. FOH

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by sudoshred »

ray_v wrote: post #440
csande17 wrote: post #313

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> The 256×144 px screen requires pixel-level rendering, which standard TUI libraries (ncurses, etc.) cannot provide. The proposed solution is an HTML/CSS rendering engine running as a background daemon — a lightweight browser-based renderer that draws menus, popups, and UI components. Truly, a design only an LLM could love.

What's a design an LLM would _loathe_?

bitshifting screen renders directly to pixels on custom hardware, if I had to bet

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by krupan »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #439
meatmanek wrote: post #390

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> AI works great on it. Define AI, and define "great"

A $20 battery-powered camera that can detect animals, humans, vehicles, and trees, and store + send an alert in real time of which it detects (as well as a description). Or a mini robot that can navigate obstacles and perform tasks while offline. Or a tiny industrial sensor that can detect a motor degrading due to the sound of its hum deviating from trained examples. Or an RF detection algorithm that ignores common b…

So, for better or worse, none of that is considered "AI" anymore. Actually, I don't think anyone ever had the gumption to call it AI. Machine Learning or Computer Vision are the terms I remember.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by d3Xt3r »

rrvsh wrote: post #445
d3Xt3r wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're strictly taking about the Zero, I'd agree with you, but with the One they're entering a new market. I mean, kind of people who like to mess around with Linux and do hacker-y network-y things are also generally the kind of people who would prefer to use a keyboard, the kind who would love the extra hardware grunt to speed up tools like hashcat. And of course, the One will be cheaper than a full-fledged x86 h…

From the FlipCTL description, I'm surmising the intended use case is this as a cyberdeck aka using it for external tasks, vs. hacking on it at home with your actual keyboard. For example you make a config for X task at home and perform X task on the go. I do not see any indication that this is meant to be a primary device

I'm not saying it's meant to be a primary device. I'm simply saying that just adding a keyboard adds a huge quality of life improvement, and the bigger size allows you to pack in more power whilst still being pocketable and portable.

Remember the "easy money" scene from Terminator 2[1]? Ever since I watched that as a kid, that form-factor has been my dream cyberdeck. As I grew older, I went on to own the HTC TyTN and the Nokia N900 - and loved them to bits - but I always felt constrained because of the ARM architecture and low specs. Like, you couldn't realistically brute-force any decent complexity passwords back then, and I bet the neither can the Flipper One with today's passwords.

After being bitten by the various limitations of compact ARM devices, I wanted to get my hands on one of those OQO pocket PCs that ran a full-fledged Windows XP, but never managed to try out. Also missed out on the Sony VAIO P-series. So when the first GPD Pocket came out, I jumped on to it straight away even though it was from some random unheard of company at the time. And I loved it, and haven't looked back since then. I finally had a decent, proper computer in my pocket.

So for me, a keyboard would be a bare minimum on a cyberdeck, and if it's got oodles of RAM and compute, that's even better. And the newer GPDs have also been able to play AAA games on the go, like Cyberpunk 2077, and I think that is super cool.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB82FNPoiPM

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