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Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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They should be rattled. The US didn’t vote its way to independence from the England. Freedom never comes without a cost paid in blood, but people don’t want to admit that anymore.

You should look up how the rest of Britain’s colonies got independence :)

Some of them, perhaps. India doesn't seem like a good one to look up though.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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It's clear time and again that having short-term growth at all costs means you can't have principles.

Both are major suppliers of oil and petroleum products. You have short term principles too. It’s not like you’re not buying things linked to Saudi Arabia or UAE for lack of human rights.

If you do business in a country you’re expected to follow the laws of the country. The device you made the comment from is most likely made in China or has several parts made there.

But Meta is evil…

I don’t like meta for their creepiness factor. Outrage on this one though is unwarranted. It puts their local employees at risk of prosecution.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Like I said, I don't think quibbling over specific word choices is productive. So what are you hoping to accomplish with your comments here? Because you're coming off like someone trying to score points in a high school debate rather than someone trying to have a conversation. I would consider that interpretation as giving you the benefit of the doubt, because the only alternative is a judgment of your intellect. To…

A balance between democracy, free speech and capitalism are worth fighting for, protecting, and are an engine for prosperity. They aren't any less sustainable than life itself or any other framework societies have run on. I am all for continuous improvement, but to throw any of those three pillars out seems like a terrible idea, and only an extremely well laid argument could convince me otherwise. I have never seen s…

Let me be as straightforward as I can be. You are debating a straw man that arose out of you inserting your own adverb into my first comment. You saw "unrestricted" as "completely unrestricted" rather than the "relatively unrestricted" I intended. That intention should have been clear because I was talking in a thread about Meta so my comments can be assumed to be about the systems in which Meta operates. Everyone else here seems to have understood my intention. Your refusal or inability to recognize that original misreading is causing you to misread my other comments.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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post #207

It's clear time and again that having short-term growth at all costs means you can't have principles.

Both are major suppliers of oil and petroleum products. You have short term principles too. It’s not like you’re not buying things linked to Saudi Arabia or UAE for lack of human rights. If you do business in a country you’re expected to follow the laws of the country. The device you made the comment from is most likely made in China or has several parts made there. But Meta is evil… I don’t like meta for their creep…

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Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Do they have a choice? It’s either that or they are shown the door, in which case they will probably be replaced by worse local alternatives in terms of freedom of speech and gov influence

When some countries tell them 'You need to make sure the product is safe for children', or 'you can't let people under 16 on the platform' Meta stomps their feet, says it's impossible and/or bad for society and spends millions on campaigns to influence the public against the govt's position. In some cases going as far as threatening to leave the country. So yes, they absolutely have a choice.

Lobbying only works in a democracy, and the UAE is too rich to simply bribe.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Do they have a choice? It’s either that or they are shown the door, in which case they will probably be replaced by worse local alternatives in terms of freedom of speech and gov influence

People here all complain about social American social media companies defying the law when they refuse to cooperate with EU censorship, then they complain about them not defying the law with Saudi censorship, it's a double standard.

What EU censorship? The RT ban?

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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The third option is to ignore them and let them block you . In a democracy this causes lots of public outrage and might be reversed. Not sure how it goes in authoritarian monarchies.

This is the answer. Stop operating in authoritarian states and ignore their laws. If those states want to censor what their population can see, it's on them to establish a firewall.

You do realise that most of the world compromises of authoritarian states, right? Not to mention, authoritarianism by whose standards? I know a lot of people that would say EU countries are authoritarian.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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It’s off-topic.

It's not off-topic to suggest using something other than social media to communicate in a thread about social media silencing speech.

I've asked this to someone else already, but what would that be? It's not like the Saudi government is just going to let you take out TV ads.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Well, it's that or the accounts get removed completely. Sometimes you have to pick your fight, and this doesn't look like one that's worth it.

Not true, there’s a third option: Stop operating in those countries. Which used to be a common choice for tech companies, until it somehow became unthinkable for some reason.

That 3rd choice is invalid because it assumes Meta (or any other large enough company) cares about a given tiny subset of its users. A company exists to make profit, with care about users only a by-product of that, in as much as showing care increases user affinity and more users means more profit. And there's a far less negative effect on profit to be rid of a few users than get into the bad books of an entire country.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

#450

Well, it's that or the accounts get removed completely. Sometimes you have to pick your fight, and this doesn't look like one that's worth it.

The third option is to ignore them and let them block you . In a democracy this causes lots of public outrage and might be reversed. Not sure how it goes in authoritarian monarchies.

That's not in the best interests of the company. Getting blocked would mean the loss of access to a far greater market than those few accounts they're blocking.
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