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Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by leptons »

Our_Benefactors wrote: post #411
leptons wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit pedantic. There's really not much of a difference there. He can be fired too, but the current shitheads in charge would never do that.

> There's really not much of a difference there. Between being hired and being elected? There’s a massive difference and it’s not pedantic at all to point out the ridiculousness of a statement like “the president was hired”.

It's a common colloquialism to say "America hired him to do a job" referring to the POTUS.

From a simple query...

"It is common to use the phrase "hired" when discussing the U.S. Presidency in a metaphorical or political context, particularly to emphasize that the President is a public servant working for the citizens. While the official process is "electing," the "hired" analogy is frequently used to highlight accountability, public service, and temporary, contractual-like tenure"

Just go look it up, and educate yourself.

But this pointless internet interaction is over.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by UltraSane »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #407
ninalanyon wrote: post #332

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Most of the employer behaviour described in such gleeful terms here would be outright illegal in most of Europe and open up the employer to risk of being sued for wrongful dismissal, etc.

This is why the EU continues to get much more poor compared to the USA. Turns out "live to work" really does beat "work to live".

Seems like only a few thousand people in the US are really getting rich from this.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by necovek »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #292
necovek wrote: post #285

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There is certainly good reason to do server-side hashing: you do not keep a persistent record of the customer's secret, yet keep the ability for them to authenticate with it. If you are never logging a clear-text secret and storing a hashes version to validate against, and using TLS between client and server, client-side hashing does not bring much benefit other than protecting customers' reused passwords against peo…

> There is certainly good reason to do server-side hashing: you do not keep a persistent record of the customer's secret, yet keep the ability for them to authenticate with it. That is not a property of server side hashing but rather hashing in general. > If you are never logging a clear-text secret Yeah good luck with that. /s It's better not to need to worry about logging plaintext. The less of your infra that fall…

I am not disputing client side hashing brings some value, just claiming that it is the least useful of the techniques applied.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by matsemann »

joe_mamba wrote: post #418
matsemann wrote: post #416

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> So stealing IP, breaking the law and your contractual obligations, should be allowed if you feel like your employer isn't valuing you enough? Please don't straw man me. Discuss in good faith, and don't invent things I didn't say. I never said anything remotely close to that being allowed. I said that it could happen even if you don't terminate all their accesses the moment they're let go. And the fact that some peo…

>Please don't straw man me. Discuss in good faith, and don't invent things I didn't say. I'm not. That's just the only logical takeaway from your comment saying: "I think if you treat your employees with respect, they don't feel the need to this kind of retaliation." How else would you interpret it, rather than a veiled threat that if employees don't get their way then they'll steal or sabotage you? Please explain in…

You're kinda proving my point, though. It seems you live in a low-trust society where it's eat or be eaten, and where employers and employees regard each other with disdain. So your only way of interpreting my statement is that it's a "threat". But it's not, it's about mutual respect and good relationships.

Which is what makes it hard for you to fathom it doesn't have to be that way you experience. When my company laid of half it workforce two years ago, everyone stayed for a few weeks to help in the transition, with the same accesses as before. Because we were treated nice all the years working there, and with respect during the process, it was absolutely no ill feelings or any risks of people doing what you describe.

So again, please read and answer comments in good faith. It's your mind that's not open enough for alternatives here, please bear that in mind - don't use your own closed mindedness to misread my comments.

Edit: your other comments in this thread shows you absolutely loathe your employers. I feel sorry for you having had those experiences, but don't assume they're global.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

kortilla wrote: post #344
mschuster91 wrote: post #335

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And then US tech has the arrogance of claiming "we don't need unions". yeah, shit like what we're reading here is precisely why y'all need unions.

We’re talking about a Google employee that makes 5x or more of what a European counterpart would. Lack of termination notice and other at will employment is easy to plan for when you make so much money. Until someone starts providing examples of software companies where the employees are unioned and clear $400k+ annum, the bar is still “no unions”.

Why not fire people humanely, even if you pay a lot?

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

cubefox wrote: post #422
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #421

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whether you personally believe some belief is "true" or "justified", changes nothing about whether it is gross

It also changes nothing about being true or justified. If it's "gross" according to your definition/taste that doesn't mean it's false or unjustified.

It also changes nothing about being gross. If it's "true" or "justified" according to your opinion/taste that doesn't mean it's not gross.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by cindyllm »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #446
cubefox wrote: post #422

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It also changes nothing about being true or justified. If it's "gross" according to your definition/taste that doesn't mean it's false or unjustified.

It also changes nothing about being gross. If it's "true" or "justified" according to your opinion/taste that doesn't mean it's not gross.

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Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by kjs3 »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #434
kjs3 wrote: post #430

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You should have stuck with the 'My bad...' and left out the eye-roll inducing humble brags and inscrutable non-clarifications. But what do I know...I've only been an infosec practitioner since the early 90s...I'm sure 'conference experience' trumps that. (I will not 'be copy/paste' (?) this response everywhere you spammed someone who pointed out the glaringly obvious)

Or I could have let it go. See, I respect people who point out mistakes, and explain why I did it. Why did I mention that I do security? Because I spent the last, 25 years trying to push proper practices and did not want to jump into discussions where over 10 comments we would end up flexing about details. Since you are an infosec practitioner since the early 90s you either are a saint, or did not have to yell throug…

You should have stuck with "Or I could have let it go.".

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

kjs3 wrote: post #449
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #434

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Or I could have let it go. See, I respect people who point out mistakes, and explain why I did it. Why did I mention that I do security? Because I spent the last, 25 years trying to push proper practices and did not want to jump into discussions where over 10 comments we would end up flexing about details. Since you are an infosec practitioner since the early 90s you either are a saint, or did not have to yell throug…

You should have stuck with "Or I could have let it go.".

And yet I have not, sorry for having dissapointed you.
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