The most absurd thing is we are supposed to believe the people who did nothing about Epstein's clients are doing this to protect children.
EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids
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Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids
#442Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Goes away, or is liable for the content promoted to the frontpage under the OP's take? Same thing. There is no Hacker News if Y Combinator becomes liable for user submitted content. It’s an obvious backdoor play to make sites go away. If a site becomes liable for content posted, you cannot allow users to post content without having the site review and take responsibility for every comment and every post. The people…
I think you could finesse it by saying that on HN, the users submit the content and the users also determine (by voting) what is popular. Ycombinator doesn't promote or bury any particular post with their own algorithms; they don't exercise any editorial review or control. (I don't think that's exactly true today, but it could be). But to the larger point, I would actuall agree that sites should "review and take resp…
So do you think the same logic applies to ISPs? Should they be reviewing all the content that they allow to transit their network and ban you if you try to evade their controls by using uncrackable encryption because if they mess up and allow you to distribute copyrighted or defamatory material they will be held liable? Remember that section 230 was originally enacted to protect them from liability.
Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids
#443Imagine if Big Tobacco had something like Section 230
If it's difficult, maybe that's telling
Perhaps there is nothing like Section 230 in any legitimate industry
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#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
An an adult, do you also believe seat belt laws are a bad thing?
Seatbelt laws have very limited impact outside vehicle safety. Nor does it open a slippery slope that leads to buses and trains and elevators and dining chairs and beds getting their own seatbelts. Regulation on speech threatens the basis of democracy. The fact that the countries pushing them most successfully (UK, Australia) are also the ones with serious freedom of speech problems compared to their Western peers sh…
But speech is not the same as design you're conflating two things and making it a non sequitur.
Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids
#445Tell me: why are these algorithms suddenly okay when the victim turns 18? They are bad for everyone and if you’re willing to regulate them, make them illegal to be used on anyone.
Because I'm an adult, rather than a sheep for you to control, and I much prefer being shown things in my interest (via recommendation alg) rather than things in the general populations interest. In fact, I wish I could upload my own recommendation model to all the social media, to curate it better, and put some black holes near topics I want to avoid, with the option to fuzz it a bit for exploration.
And saving these locally doesn't work for you or something?
And use "localized" social media for the rest?
Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids
#446Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Goes away, or is liable for the content promoted to the frontpage under the OP's take? Same thing. There is no Hacker News if Y Combinator becomes liable for user submitted content. It’s an obvious backdoor play to make sites go away. If a site becomes liable for content posted, you cannot allow users to post content without having the site review and take responsibility for every comment and every post. The people…
I agree with what OOP said. But it’s not my intent to “shut sites down.” I have this view to try to increase diversity of media consumption and break people out of echo chambers. If your business model is so shit you have to exploit weaknesses in human brains to keep people viewing ads and can’t adapt, then that’s your problem. If you have an algorithm whose sole purpose is to “engagement” with your own platform (by…
Ban third-party advertising.
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#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
That could be solved by allowing users to filter by score or number of comments.
I think you are just reflexively trying to argue your point without even thinking about it. 30 million tiktoks are posted by day. What do you mean your are going to allow "users to filter". This "regulation" will be trivially defeated by TikTok-Videos LLC uploading videos and TikTok-DataScience, providing the most popular filtering algo. At the end of the day, many children will simply default to using the best algor…
Wow clearly this a problem that can never be solved, better to not regulate these tech giants that have anti-democratic and anti-human beliefs. We're simply too powerless to regulate these entities!
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#448Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they just signed up they have no followings or subscriptions. So now what, you need to show accounts to follow first? Thats the same problem as deciding what the first video to show is. How do you decide who they should follow? Or the vision is that you can only have friends as if it's 2005 and you can't discover anything serendipitously? I don't consume any content from my friends on something like tiktok where I…
Undoubtably the change needed here will introduce friction, will reduce viewing time, and society will be better off for it. The whole idea here is to make content consumption more deliberate and mindful rather than just opening the app and veging out to an endless feed of slop.
You have a lot of certainties. Say will people in hospital bed for 2 weeks agree with you?
Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids
#449This is pretty easy to solve. If you present data by algorithm, you are no longer an impartial common carrier and are liable for the content you present. If the user decides you don’t, ala social media 1.0.
This thread is going pretty deep down the rabbit hole of debating what an algorithm is. Here’s the actual commission finding: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_...
> For example, by constantly ‘rewarding' users with new content, certain design features of TikTok fuel the urge to keep scrolling and shift the brain of users into ‘autopilot mode'. Scientific research shows that this may lead to compulsive behaviour and reduce users' self-control.
> Additionally, in its assessment, TikTok disregarded important indicators of compulsive use of the app, such as the time that minors spend on TikTok at night, the frequency with which users open the app, and other potential indicators.
I think it’s pretty uncontroversial to say these features are a problem. Anyone who has used these apps knows the feeling of “one more video”. Obviously TikTok will claim otherwise with their business model threatened.
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#450Earlier quoted context omitted.
Changing the default makes a huge difference because 99% of people don’t change settings.
That's because the default is 99% the way the app is designed to be used. If the default is regulated, then they will just say "sorry the default is boring, click here to bring back the feed" and everyone will just click.
As a matter of fact, the social media companies will then have an incentive to make the default really bad, which is absolutely what they will do. This would be the malicious compliance I was referring to elsewhere.
I think most people over here are oversimplifying this and underestimating the ability of these companies to get what they want.