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Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by xpl »

ZetsuBouKyo wrote: post #291
nirui wrote: post #109

In case people no longer remember, when China started to require websites to register for a license before be allowed to operate, it was for "protecting the children" too. This simple policy then goes on to silence most individual publisher(/self-media) and consolidated the industry into the hands of the few, with no opportunity left for smaller entrepreneurs. This is arguably much worse than allowing children to wat…

I have an extreme slippery slope idea. If they want to protect children, shouldn't they sterilize everyone? Every child born, regardless of wealth will inevitably suffer injury, illness, and psychological setbacks. Therefore, the best way to protect them would be not allowing people to have children. By the way, not having children is also more eco-friendly, because an infinite series simply converges. I wonder if I’…

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Post by cess11 »

palata wrote: post #337
cess11 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, so make an argument.

My argument is: it is possible to do privacy-preserving age verification, and that technology is already deployed (look at Privacy Pass). We should acknowledge that and stop claiming that the age verification issue is the same as the E2EE one, because it is NOT. And then we could maybe have a constructive debate about whether or not we as a society want that technology. That would be more interesting than "if I keep…

You're still just stating your opinions. What do you mean by "it is possible"? Are you sure there are states that are privacy respecting enough to actually be able to, or have all the relevant states broken down walls between government agencies that would shield citizens from secret surveillance and registers?

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Post by mcv »

nxm wrote: post #408
mcv wrote: post #333

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Not remotely at full speed. This is not a law, and is not in any way being enforced. Bad ideas get proposed too often, but usually they get rejected. I expect the same will happen here, although we should absolutely remain vigilant. I do share your concern for policy moving in the direction of NK, but the EU isn't moving there nearly as fast as for example the US.

Are you serious? In the US, you don’t get fined or arrested for posting mean memes like in Germany

You can clearly get indicted for it.

But much more serious is the widespread government censorship that would be unimaginable in the EU.

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Post by mcv »

jesterson wrote: post #416
nxm wrote: post #408

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Are you serious? In the US, you don’t get fined or arrested for posting mean memes like in Germany

No point to argue. EU propaganda machine portrays EU as beautiful garden while the US is portrayed as the one descending into fascism. You can’t push anto-freedom laws without mass brainwashing.

Portrayed? Have you seen the news at all in the past year? The US is descending into fascism really hard. Closing your eyes to it is not going to stop it.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

lukan wrote: post #405
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #322

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> By the way, not having children is also more eco-friendly, because an infinite series simply converges. This one isn't actually accurate. Younger people have longer time horizons (i.e. aren't expecting to be dead as soon) and are therefore more likely to support policies like electrifying transportation and generating power from lower CO2 sources, and policies get enacted when they have majority support, so causing…

In theory. In reality the number of young people concerned about climate change is high, but the number of those willing to then not take a airplane for a few days of vacation is pretty low in my experience. So supporting policies, "that somebody should do something" sure, also my generation thinks like this and the older one. But supporting policies that also actually affect themself, different story. Because there…

> In reality the number of young people concerned about climate change is high, but the number of those willing to then not take a airplane for a few days of vacation is pretty low in my experience.

Probably because air travel is something like 2% of CO2 emissions, driving long distances also emits CO2 so the actual reduction is more like 1%, and people understand what a cost/benefit ratio is.

Meanwhile they're significantly more likely to do things like buy an electric car or hybrid or install rooftop solar, which makes a much larger actual difference.

> But supporting policies that also actually affect themself, different story.

Who is more likely to support voting to fund car chargers, working people who are tired of buying gas or retirees who want to use that money to increase government retirement benefits?

> Because there is also the effect of doomerism.

Doomerism itself comes from being in the minority.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dryarzeg wrote: post #121
Jtarii wrote: post #65

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70% is a more likely figure https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/britons-back-online-safety-acts-... >Almost seven in ten (69%) support age verification checks on platforms that may host content related to suicide, self-harm, eating disorders, and pornography. Sometimes the majority is going to make a decision that you do not like, oh well, that is the cost of living in a democracy. People in "terminally online" spaces like H…

>>Almost seven in ten (69%) support age verification checks on platforms that may host content related to suicide, self-harm, eating disorders, and pornography. >>eating disorders I'm genuinely sorry, but... wait, what? Okay, suicide, somewhat understandable (although some forums where people just share their feelings are endangered by this). Same applies to self-harm. Pornography - well, at least I can understand th…

Eating disorders are self-harm.

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Post by tistoon »

kennykartman wrote: post #271

If any EU government people are reading this, I'd like to send you a short message: Please stop thinking about the kids on the internet. But here's a brief list of things you must work on with higher urgency: - taxing more large corporations, - taxing more ultra-rich people, - funding EU-made (open source) tech and infrastructure, - let parents spend more time with their kids so they can actually protect their offspr…

This! More taxes and - yes - more state-controlled tech! Wait. Why stop there? Let’s just bring back the SED and the Stasi too. Also, prevent people (the rich? yeah!) leaving Europe too with big walls [1]! I love your ideas comrade! LOL. Seriously, you should read more history books (and read it to your kiddos while you're at it, please). Peace.

[1] German men must ask the army for permission to leave country - https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15706287/German-men-a...

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Post by jesterson »

mcv wrote: post #444
jesterson wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No point to argue. EU propaganda machine portrays EU as beautiful garden while the US is portrayed as the one descending into fascism. You can’t push anto-freedom laws without mass brainwashing.

Portrayed? Have you seen the news at all in the past year? The US is descending into fascism really hard. Closing your eyes to it is not going to stop it.

If your worldview is based on news you are consuming, then I would like to avoid the discussion.

No, I don’t see the US descending into fascism. Quite the opposite. But the EU unfortunately does, and that saddens me a lot.

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Post by jurgenburgen »

lukan wrote: post #405
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By the way, not having children is also more eco-friendly, because an infinite series simply converges. This one isn't actually accurate. Younger people have longer time horizons (i.e. aren't expecting to be dead as soon) and are therefore more likely to support policies like electrifying transportation and generating power from lower CO2 sources, and policies get enacted when they have majority support, so causing…

In theory. In reality the number of young people concerned about climate change is high, but the number of those willing to then not take a airplane for a few days of vacation is pretty low in my experience. So supporting policies, "that somebody should do something" sure, also my generation thinks like this and the older one. But supporting policies that also actually affect themself, different story. Because there…

I would support air travel taxes even though I’ve used a plane 5 times this year already.

Just because I don’t believe in voluntary action doesn’t mean I wouldn’t accept society-wide policy. I want impactful societal action, not self-harm disguised as feelgood ecohobbies.

This problem can only be solved by coordinated government intervention.

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Post by d1sxeyes »

u8080 wrote: post #440
d1sxeyes wrote: post #347

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I remember writing about Roskomnadzor well before 2019, it’s existed at least since 2013, and don’t think it was particularly new then.

I could miss some things from memory, but RKN originally had much less power back in the days, they were just trying to execute court orders - it started actually being self-sufficient censorship agency in ~2019

Looks like you're talking about the new powers they got in 2018 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE...

But proper curial oversight stopped with the Lugovoi law in 2013, after which RKN could block directly based on orders from the General Prosecutor's office.

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