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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by ponector »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #433
ponector wrote: post #417

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>>> walk into a random local government office and hand them That is exactly how it works. You go to the customs and hand them bunch of filled papers to proceed with customs clearance procedure. Also you cannot simply import a car to USA, unless it is for a "demo" purposes or 25+ y.o.

So where exactly? At the border? Someplace else? If you were having a car shipped (literally) to you from overseas then presumably customs clearance is at the port. What if someone buys a 1 year old car (any Brand, not just BYD) from Canada - what import fees would apply?

Custom clearance is at the customs office. At the border they will simply check the papers.

What fees to pay depends on the vehicle. Could be a chicken tax there as well

Also you simply cannot import for personal use a car which was not certified to be sold in USA.

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Post by snapcaster »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #91
snapcaster wrote: post #41

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As an american i feel it. have you ever visited China? it's sad man, in more and more industries america is only able to compete by banning china from even contesting the market Not just on dumping or price, actual product quality, innovation and value. It's impossible to visit a Huawei store in Beijing and not feel it in your bones

> As an american i feel it How do we have a productive discussion about our feelings on a tech site?

maybe engage with it because we're all humans with feelings and they're incredibly powerful computational shortcuts? thinking it's virtuous to be an emotionless automaton is ideology (kinda like feelings!)

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

ponector wrote: post #441
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So where exactly? At the border? Someplace else? If you were having a car shipped (literally) to you from overseas then presumably customs clearance is at the port. What if someone buys a 1 year old car (any Brand, not just BYD) from Canada - what import fees would apply?

Custom clearance is at the customs office. At the border they will simply check the papers. What fees to pay depends on the vehicle. Could be a chicken tax there as well Also you simply cannot import for personal use a car which was not certified to be sold in USA.

> Custom clearance is at the customs office. At the border they will simply check the papers.

Maybe you are not understanding the question.

Where is the customs office?

Do you get customs clearance first, then proceed to the border and show the paperwork?

Yes - I realize there are many cars the US does not allow, which is why I broadened the question to not just be about BYD.

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Post by [deleted] »

fusslo wrote: post #63
throwaway_7274 wrote: post #20

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I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills. They say they're worried when the building stops. Even more people will be out of jobs. And when the nation age…

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Post by foobar1274278 »

mghackerlady wrote: post #149
weirdmantis69 wrote: post #124

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lmao. "religious nationalism"? What are you referring to here? The USA's new tighter immigration standards? What pray tell is China's immigration policy? Ignorance? Are you referring to perhaps San Francisco progressives eliminating enhanced schooling because it makes some students feel bad about themselves? https://www.educationnext.org/san-franciscos-detracking-expe... Fear? Oh I know, you are talking about how in…

those mega projects are almost always killed by republicans. also, listen to the rhetoric around christianity in republican circles and tell me it isn't religious nationalism

Ah yes, like those dang ol no good reds in single party California, sabotaging their high speed rail project for the past 20 years. 14 billion in the hole and not a single mile of track.

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Post by stasomatic »

joe_mamba wrote: post #258
WarmWash wrote: post #166

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In the US it's practically a right of passage to be a young adult and very vocally hate the country, hate the government. In China you don't have a life in front of you if you do that.

>In the US it's practically a right of passage to be a young adult and very vocally hate the country, hate the government. Well, unless ICE murders you at a protest for expressing your hate of the government's actions. >In China you don't have a life in front of you if you do that. That's very much not true. China isn't North Korea like Westerners imagine. Unless you riot, take to the streets, or become a big agitato…

>due to its successful policies from the last half-century >that brought prosperity and lifted

Not because of the West giving China its industry, because - greed and China's blatant IP theft? Who cares if the communists make everything we consume, right? Stock price, yo.

"Apple in China" by Patrick McGee is a good read.

I like Chinese food, the arts, the folklore, they make my favorite bows (archery), but I don't want my grandkids have to learn Mandarin unless they want to.

Tangent, I always do a double take when I see CCP, as "USSR" is spelled "CCCP" in Cyrillic, it's charming (I am from a former USSR republic).

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Post by doom2 »

s_dev wrote: post #420
swframe2 wrote: post #311

I saw this recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_fJJxMjn4 TL;DR Byd is amazing and fatally flawed. The details are too much to place here.

It was a good watch but I don't think there is too much detail to put here. BYD has a lot more debt than they're claiming and their growth was subsidized by the Chinese government in order to buy market share.

Not directly related to your comment, but I'm confused why so many people say "BYD is subsidized by the Chinese government" as some kind of gotcha for why they're "bad". The US government subsidizes farmers. Companies like Intel, Ford, and Boeing all get federal or state subsidies. Tesla's growth can in part be attributed to favorable tax credits. Should we qualify statements about how successful they are with an asterisk that they got favorable treatment from the government?

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Post by Yizahi »

hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

Oh, don't worry. I'm sure Mr. Stable Orange will follow the tradition and institute a Capybara tax soon, forbidding import of any foreign EV smaller than 2 meters wide and 7 meters long and having a fully enclosed body. That will show those libruls :) .

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Post by lenerdenator »

mrexcess wrote: post #432
lenerdenator wrote: post #390

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You're putting capital on a higher hill than the political class. That's not always the case. Billionaires are problematic by their very existence, but the sort of power they want is what the CCP has. They want to use their capital to build that. Trump's having the best luck so far. If there are people who also just happen to be extremely wealthy who get in their way, they'd gladly use the power they then had to get…

Comparisons between CCP and private industry in the West seems misaligned in several respects. CCP does not have fiduciary duty to shareholders, instead, it has accountability to national political goals as well as broad based economic outcomes. This is a much different model. Yes, the CCP has the sort of power that elite authoritarians crave, but it also has constraints and demands that no elites would ever face. I…

Of course it has fiduciary duty to shareholders. If they don't set up deals that investors want, they can't continue to exist. Is it something that they can be sued for in a court? No, but it's just how markets work.

As far as the execution of government officials for bribery, they also do quite a bit of other enforcement action that "Western permissiveness" just wouldn't tolerate, like sending ordinary people - not billionaires or cadre members - to re-education camps for wrongthink.

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Post by dangus »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #366
dangus wrote: post #160

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I hear this all the time, but I would point out that US car manufacturers are heavily subsidized as well. I’m sure other countries do their own things that effectively subsidize their automotive industries as well. NAFTA and its successor keeps a lot of automotive production and assembly in North America. The chicken tax protects American manufacturers from foreign competition on trucks and vans. Tesla was started on…

Ok but we are talking about tens of billions versus tens of millions. And some good old fashioned protectionism which has limited effect on the global market which we are discussing at the moment.

That’s only one example of subsidy for one location: tens of millions in one specific type of tax break from one state for only one factory.

Now multiply that and add in every other kind of subsidy.

Ford Motor Company topping the list at $8 billion in subsidy.

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/?major_industry_sum...

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