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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by vrighter »

motbus3 wrote: post #423
jorams wrote: post #368

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The batteries regulation[1] doesn't contain such an exemption. The legal argument that iPhones may be exempt goes like this: - The batteries regulation is a general regulation and article 11 specifically says the following: > This paragraph shall be without prejudice to any specific provisions ensuring a higher level of protection of the environment and human health relating to the removability and replaceability of…

I can strongly state that it is 100% possible to do ip67 with removable batteries in the sense people general mean. That said, I am afraid how one can play with the definition of removable. Everything is removable given enough force.

the galaxy s5 had everything we are told they removed for waterproofing. removable back cover and battery, and a headphone jack

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Post by Nevermark »

nozzlegear wrote: post #335
user_7832 wrote: post #206

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> The point is that people have different preferences, so the EU should not force people to buy phones with removable batteries. There are many food additives with very useful properties, but health effects. There are many perfumes too where the original formulation had a particular compound layer found to be carcinogenic. Regardless of whether an individual prefers to use such compounds at their own risk or not, lar…

> (And if you think you truly have choice as a consumer, I challenge you to use a phone that isn't running either Apple or Google's code.) Why doesn't this count as a choice? Was it more of a choice when Windows Phone was still around?

> Was it more of a choice when Windows Phone was still around?

Three viable options are by definition, more choice than two options.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #434
motbus3 wrote: post #423

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I can strongly state that it is 100% possible to do ip67 with removable batteries in the sense people general mean. That said, I am afraid how one can play with the definition of removable. Everything is removable given enough force.

EU courts generally frown on such shenanigans.

Great point. This sections closes that opportunity:

    > No barriers: The use of adhesives that can only be removed with heat or solvents is prohibited.
The whole "removable (but only) with a jackhammer" is negated immediately.

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Post by infecto »

danaw wrote: post #383
infecto wrote: post #202

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What makes it not accurate? With the 15, apple was already making claims about 80% at 1000 cycles. Battery degradation has too many variables for you to make your claim and even in perfect situation, it’s not a linear degradation by cycle. My 17 is at 100 cycles with 100% health. Back to my original claim. Most manufacturers already meet the exception. Some of the low end garbage phones may not but it’s unclear how m…

making claims is not the same a real world outcomes. the real question will be how these claims are audited by regulators

Which will align with how manufacturers have been measuring it. The EU years ago already set battery standards for energy ratings. This won’t come as a surprise.

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Post by iberator »

ryandrake wrote: post #70
joe_mamba wrote: post #28

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My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

I get it for watches, but I've never understood the mass-market need for a waterproof phone, outside of a few niche hobbies. Are people showering and swimming with their phones or something? Or dropping them in their toilets? The wettest my phone has ever been in 8 years is in my pocket while it's raining.

kayaks or hiking or fishing is like 40%% of entire population sole hobby in europe

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Post by rootusrootus »

reaperducer wrote: post #40
hedora wrote: post #17

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0%. Wait, that’s not true: In true regulatory capture fashion, I’ll bet the exemption requires some sort of testing/certification that makes it significantly more expensive for smaller firms to bring devices to market.

Recently my 2021 macBook gave me an alert that its battery was not charging past 80%. I took it to the Apple Store and because it had only been through 971 charge cycles, the battery was replaced for free.

I'm still waiting for 2023 MBP to hit that point. It's at 82% right now, with 67 cycles. It's been stuck at 82% for a few months now, though, stubbornly staying in the "normal" range.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by cbeach »

ezst wrote: post #412
cbeach wrote: post #350

This should be for the market to decide, not EU bureaucrats. If I want a thicker, clunkier, less waterproof phone with a user-replaceable battery, I can already buy a Fairphone or a Samsung Galaxy XCover6 Pro, or whatever. The reason people buy iPhones and flagship Samsung phones is they want the benefits that come from a design that doesn't have to make sacrifices to accomodate a user-replaceable battery.

> This should be for the market to decide, not EU bureaucrats. Ohh sweet summer child... We are in an era of obscene consolidation, in pretty much every sector, wealth is being consolidated to degrees unseen before, oligopolies enshrine their dominance via regulatory capture and a plethora of unfair practices. There's just no competition left to suggest that "markets can decide" of anything beneficial for our skinny…

    * Samsung Electronics
    * Apple
    * Xiaomi
    * Oppo (includes OnePlus)
    * Vivo
    * Huawei
    * Honor
    * Motorola Mobility
    * realme
    * Google
    * Sony
    * Nokia
    * Asus
    * Nothing
    * HTC
    * ZTE
    * Fairphone
    * LG Electronics
But yeah, "no competition left," okay..

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Post by vrighter »

ratiolat wrote: post #44
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

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i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

galaxy s5 from 2014 also achieved all of this. It was a solved problem literally over a decade ago

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Post by josefx »

wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Didn't Apple once ship a patch to limit CPU performance on iPhones because battery degradation was a widespread issue?
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