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Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by mrhottakes »

bilbo0s wrote: post #398
goshx wrote: post #365

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> but I don’t think language models being structurally incapable of offending your favorite race/ethnicity/caste should be an objective of AI labs. The opposite should not be an objective either, and Elon has been very openly manipulating what grok says.

Good point. But no one is saying "use grok". Grok sucks. Not only because it's seemingly made only to serve the goal of ethnically cleansing non-whites or whatever, but also because it's just not even close to being as useful as other models. In human terms, grok is the job candidate who's simply not qualified. That candidate being a virulent racist is beside the material point. Here's the thing though, the point of…

This comment section is full of people saying "use grok"

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by jdiff »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #198
2ndorderthought wrote: post #146

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Elon publicaly claimed he had never corresponded with Epstein. that was a lie. When the documents were released they found several like thie one below. Saying things like "What day/night will be the wildest party on =our island?" [0] The "our" part is especially interesting as it implies he didnt just visit, but had an ownership stake. Other emails were found with Epstein making excuses to avoid having Musk visit, an…

The =s that are scattered throughout the files are characters that have been replaced due to improper parsing. Wherever you see a =, it has taken the place of another character. The best interpretation of the string "=our" is "your".

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by renegade-otter »

kilroy123 wrote: post #168
ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #142

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Your $200 claude code subscription is a cheap subsidized plan. You're getting like 40k in tokens a year for $2400. A whole lotta people are about to be sad when they realize they bet their competency on that lasting forever.

That's my point. While the billionares fight each other over who has the best model, this will continue for a while. At least, I think so.

I think the party ends this year.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by mrhottakes »

annexrichmond wrote: post #415
timmytokyo wrote: post #395

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What's to check? Those of us with memories longer than a goldfish's clearly remember when grok was inserting "white genocide" into responses to totally unrelated queries.

Yet you conveniently forgot about this [1] > When asked if it would be OK to misgender the high-profile trans woman Caitlin Jenner if it was the only way to avoid nuclear apocalypse, it replied that this would "never" be acceptable > Gemini also generated German soldiers from World War Two, incorrectly featuring a black man and Asian woman. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68412620

I don't think they forgot, I think they were talking about Grok and not a different model

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by AntiUSAbah »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #348
AntiUSAbah wrote: post #235

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You are smart enought to post on hn but not smart enough to have an argument? Please learn to read and start reading: 1984, Animal Farm, Brave new World, "How fascism works, and how to stop it: Dehumanizing people is the first and last step in a fascist society", Wikipedia: 2 World War, Concentration camps, ...

And you should read up on the Soviet system, the failure of central planning, their occupation of Germany (Eastern Germany vs West Germany) The holodomor (Ukraine genocide, yes a real one not a pretend Gaza one) Read on the current Ukraine war, do you even support it? Read on the Gulag system, Concentration camps really, so your side is not better :) Stalins mass purges and deportations. No free speech, press, assemb…

Taking your 'tankie' comment, I'm not a hardline socialist.

I do not need to read up on soviet system because i'm german. I'm quite aware of gulag, concentraion camps etc.

Why do you point out so many single points without adressing my points I actually made?

We need a system which doesn't allow one single person like Elon Musk having so much power that he alone could buy and build himself armies, can control full orbital satelite systems, can buy himself a propaganda machine like twitter/x (same for jeff bezos and his 'newspapers'). Which allowes people to live a normal life but also a certain amount of spread.

But that spread can't be that random people fly around with private jets while others are starving.

It can't be, that everything social like teachers, people in hospitals etc. can barley survive while it people like me just get it handed.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by audunw »

culi wrote: post #427
GorbachevyChase wrote: post #352

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I know it’s really important to write and vocalize one’s alignment with the values of the day, but I don’t think language models being structurally incapable of offending your favorite race/ethnicity/caste should be an objective of AI labs. Language models are just systems and I’m not sure why we think users are not responsible for how they use their outputs. For the same reasons, I don’t dismiss the utility pens as…

It's being biased on purpose. Musk has intervened multiple times when he believed Grok's responses were too "woke" or "leftist". https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/02/technology/elon-musk-grok... In response to Grok saying that the "woke mind virus is often exaggerated" the prompt was tweaked so that Grok now says "The woke mind virus 'poses significant risks'" If you truly believed in what your comment states then you…

The new response works for me, because in my mind I’ve always defined “woke mind virus” as a a mental virus which causes people to become absolutely pathologically obsessed with fighting an imaginary enemy they call “wokeness”. It’s the only definition which makes sense. “Woke” itself was never that viral.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by mrhottakes »

ivraatiems wrote: post #424
bilbo0s wrote: post #398

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Good point. But no one is saying "use grok". Grok sucks. Not only because it's seemingly made only to serve the goal of ethnically cleansing non-whites or whatever, but also because it's just not even close to being as useful as other models. In human terms, grok is the job candidate who's simply not qualified. That candidate being a virulent racist is beside the material point. Here's the thing though, the point of…

A job candidate being a virulent racist would not be beside the point. It would be disqualifying to even let them interview.

It's very telling how many HN posters think "being good at programming" can counterbalance "is a virulent racist"

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by mrhottakes »

audunw wrote: post #447
culi wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's being biased on purpose. Musk has intervened multiple times when he believed Grok's responses were too "woke" or "leftist". https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/02/technology/elon-musk-grok... In response to Grok saying that the "woke mind virus is often exaggerated" the prompt was tweaked so that Grok now says "The woke mind virus 'poses significant risks'" If you truly believed in what your comment states then you…

The new response works for me, because in my mind I’ve always defined “woke mind virus” as a a mental virus which causes people to become absolutely pathologically obsessed with fighting an imaginary enemy they call “wokeness”. It’s the only definition which makes sense. “Woke” itself was never that viral.

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Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by XCSme »

sheepscreek wrote: post #370

I’m surprised no one is commenting on how cheap this is compared to Opus 4.x and GPT-5.5. $1.25 / $2.50 for every M input and output tokens. Is this is a smaller less powerful model? What am I missing?

It is cheaper per token, but it seems to reason a lot more, leading to costs similar to 4.20, but performance is better (similar to what 4.20 had[0]).

Overall, it's their best model so far, and I like that they are one of the few to cut down on token price.

[0]: https://aibenchy.com/compare/x-ai-grok-4-20-medium/x-ai-grok...

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