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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by sikozu »

devin wrote: post #129
idan wrote: post #96

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Hi there! Longtime fan and hubber here. It's okay to have emotions. I have similar emotions. I'm GitHub User 22723 which is effectively the same as you (considering there's ~180m GH accounts nowadays) My version of your post reads differently: "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" Walking away would be easy. I felt that way when I left Heroku ~six years ago. I left that jo…

If anyone reading this is curious of their own, you can go to https://api.github.com/users/YOUR_USERNAME_HERE and fetch it. My ID is just over 10,000. Crazy to think of the journey that I've had in computing since I signed up for GitHub.

My user id is in the 2,660,000s, 2012 here and I joined when I was 13.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by sbinnee »

GitHub has become a place where you seek people’s attention. There are other places you can freely host your projects. GitLab was always available. I just haven’t logged in for I don’t know how long. An open source project is essentially a show window to the internet by a lonely developer. Ghostty has already established a great community. It’s already on display on a skyscraper. The project is mature enough that it needs a dedicated discussion forum or something like that. I am excited to see where it will find home and how it will evolve.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by ragall »

amluto wrote: post #363
idan wrote: post #265

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Salesforce never understood Heroku. Salesforce's understanding of Heroku, if such an understanding ever existed, was wildly different than what Heroku understood it wanted to be. Benioff's penchant for buying himself a company every year did not help — "no headcount this year, we're buying Mulesoft/Quip/Tableau/Slack/$WHATEVER. And oops we spent too much money on dreamforce. Sucks that your pager rotations are burnin…

> GitHub is not perfect but I don't think it's "degraded faster" at all. It's _grown_ faster. It’s grown in a way that degraded it and that required actual effort. For example: - The fancy new diff viewer frontend that barely works. Someone wrote that code — it didn’t happen by itself. - The unbelievably buggy and slow code review frontend (which is surely related to the diff frontend) was added complexity that did n…

> GitHub actions. It’s … bad. I suppose there wasn’t a predecessor that was better

There might not have been a predecessor, but it's been obvious for at least a decade that GHA are a very poorly designed programming language, yet nothing was done to improve. They introduced Github Apps that solve many of the issues with Actions, but that requires deploying a service and aren't anywhere near the ease of use of Actions.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by dylanz »

hexis wrote: post #152
devin wrote: post #129

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If anyone reading this is curious of their own, you can go to https://api.github.com/users/YOUR_USERNAME_HERE and fetch it. My ID is just over 10,000. Crazy to think of the journey that I've had in computing since I signed up for GitHub.

I'm 13936 and I felt like I was SO LATE to the party when I signed up.

13274 here!

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by WD-42 »

idan wrote: post #415
margalabargala wrote: post #319

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> "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" This is true but misleading. Unfortunately. It is a true statement for developers working in GitHub at Microsoft. It's not a true statement for users. There is no avenue by which you make GitHub better by continuing to use it as it has been.

I do work at GitHub. I shared the above as a nuanced "yes and" to the pain that Mitchell is feeling. In the same way that Mastodon didn't replace Twitter even when Twitter went to shit, I don't believe in the various GitHub alternatives becoming a broadly-used thing. Maybe we'll end up with more GitHub-alikes like Codeberg, mabye we'll end up with some communities adopting novel forges like Tangled and Forgejo. But i…

Comparing to twitter is astute, as there are some analysis that point to it being mostly bots in 2025.

I can see the same happening for GitHub, in fact it seems to be actively trying to move in that direction: a platform for AI agents to host code, to review code, with little to no human activity.

Just like everyone who didn’t want to deal with bots left twitter, they will soon leave GitHub for similar reasons. I’m sure there is a future for GitHub as the code hosting platform for agents but it should be no surprise then when real people like Mitchell and the rest of us jump ship.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by dylanz »

fud101 wrote: post #381
hexis wrote: post #152

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I'm 13936 and I felt like I was SO LATE to the party when I signed up.

I was too loyal to mercurial, only switched to git/github long after the battle was lost and won.

Hah! I was too. I was at a bar with Chris trying to convince him to base the company off of hg instead of git but they already had the domain name and had already started building it.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by ghshephard »

samtrack2019 wrote: post #217

why not just setting up github enterprise? i mean it's still an infra to take care but if you are willing to pay for it, you may as well? from my experience the other git forge doesnt provide the same feature sets and api as github, like gitlab ci is actually pretty limited compared to GHA, there is no concept of github apps for other providers too, but maybe you just want a code hosting..

We have both GHE as well as GH.com - and, i genuinely couldn't tell you which of the two blows up more often.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by palata »

nicr_22 wrote: post #283
palata wrote: post #153

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> I can feel the frustation, nothing dramatic about expressing it I think the "ridiculously dramatic" part is the whole love letter to GitHub, not the frustration. And I think it is fair to say that it is ridiculously dramatic. Which is okay, of course, I'm not criticising here. Just like it would feel ridiculously dramatic (at least to me) if someone explained that they cried today when they stopped their subscripti…

The difference here is _creative_ work vs consumption. Craftspeople like Mitchell feel passionately about the tools they rely on to build. Github has also been a social place for builders. I don't think it's ridiculously dramatic to feel sad about great tools rusting or makerspaces closing...

Again, I am not criticising the feeling. It's okay to feel the way we feel.

I am just saying that when Mitchell mentioned it being "ridiculously dramatic", I think he was not talking about the frustration but rather about the fact that he cried about leaving GitHub.

It's okay to feel sad about something and to also feel that it's ridiculously dramatic to feel sad about it.

Thanks for the downvotes though.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by gamander »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #71
atonse wrote: post #22

During one of the x threads where Mitchell was (legitimately) complaining about Github, there were a couple replies suggesting that GitHub should hire him to be their CEO. And I remember seeing that and thinking "huh... not at all a bad idea." There is a specific kind of leader that can turn such ships around, and they are strong in their convictions, and aren't just "managers", but visionaries coupled with strong ex…

> I think a new GitHub will emerge and when it's just right, will grow like wildfire (like OpenClaw, or even GitHub itself did during the SVN and SourceForge era). And many are already trying to be that new GitHub. Really? I can only think of two: Codeberg and Sourceforge. Which are both great, but that's not what I'd call "many".

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