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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#441

So wait, does this mean that Google will forcefully uninstall the apps I currently have installed?! or disable? will the apps work again once I went through the 24h process?

Their FAQ states that previously installed unverified apps won't be able to install updates which suggests to me that they won't disable or uninstall them. Hopefully someone can confirm.

https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/...

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#442

I don't see why megacorporations and governments are allowed to control the computer I carry around in my pocket, while I'm not.

This is a bit related, but not precisely on top of the major topic we are discussing, but I'll say it anyway: I just got a brand new Samsung A56 for my personal use, and I just found out, like a minute ago, that I can't set a maximum battery charge (say 85%) without internet. It's asking me to turn on the WiFi. This makes no sense whatsoever. If I had to guess it's because Samsung wants to keep a profile of my battery settings and they need that telemetry, but not allowing me to set the bloody thing without internet is insane.

Another thing that happened yesterday when I was setting up the phone was the mandatory need of an internet connection, otherwise the phone would simply not allow me to move on with the setup.

I'm this fucking close to sell this thing and try my luck with a Chinese smartphone, which I'm pretty sure is not going to toss that shit on my face. (I had a Chinese one and a Galaxy S20 FE before, both on different Android versions, 10 and 11 iirc that wouldn't block me like that)

/rantOver

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Because it's their creation.

I don't know if that is sarcasm, but a chair I buy is mine to do whatever I want with it. Same goes for clothes, a mattress, paint, or any other non-software enabled physical item. Why does having software/hardware make a difference?

You can do whatever you want with your phone too, it isn’t illegal to jailbreak an iPhone for example.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#444

So wait, does this mean that Google will forcefully uninstall the apps I currently have installed?! or disable? will the apps work again once I went through the 24h process?

auto uninstall.

Is that actually confirmed anywhere? It certainly sounds possible given some of the wording ("At this point, any app installed on a certified device in these regions must be registered by a verified developer.") but it would be nice to get official confirmation.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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post #268

I imagine most of us here will look elsewhere when we next upgrade. But are those numbers large enough to form a viable alternative?

Dont get me wrong: I'd love the linux phone "rebel" community to be as large as the android one. But... i doubt it will be anytime soon? The problem is getting the hw investment done first. Android ecosystem is equivalent to windows one: its open enough to sustain a large number of vendors and tinkerers. I doubt this scare-campaign (OP link) will drive people constructively towards (effectively) innexistent linux alt…

I've been a happy user of several of those "effectively inexistent" devices for nearly two decades now and I'm typing this on one of them. Whether they "exist" for you or not is your choice.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Oh yeah, odd. Anyway, I’m aware of alternate mainframe OSs but I’m not sure how common using one was. Other than OS2, alternate OSs for other systems were rather rare, though it is worth noting that they were not forbidden or blocked.

> I’m aware of alternate mainframe OSs but I’m not sure how common using one was. Extremely common at major universities and research centres. CTSS, ITS, TENEX, Multics, Unix and even VM/370 were all alternate operating at some point. > Other than OS2, alternate OSs for other systems were rather rare, You weren't there, were you? A lot of people replaced MS-DOS with DR-DOS before Microsoft deliberately broke it with…

Didn’t Microsoft somehow ruin Dr DOS? Not technically, but didn’t they sue them or something? Which would mean this is the same issue, 40 years later. Yes, I was there on the 80s, but I had a Commodore 64. We did use GEOS, if that counts. I was not present for the 70s.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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From the state's perspective, probably along the same lines as why long guns are allowed with permit in many countries where handguns are banned.

Because you can conceiled carry a smartphone? Please explain.

Yes? Modern portable computing enables counter-surveillance of police, better communication and knowledge access for dissidents, and interface with institutional computer systems for any number of ends. The George Floyd protests don't happen if the bystanders didn't have smartphones, or if protestors had to carry around an Alienware tower; the Snowden leaks don't happen at the magnitude they did without memory miniaturization. There are international examples, too, and commensurate crackdowns on computing freedom (particularly in Hong Kong).

You've got a supercomputer and a library and a set of video production equipment in your pocket, among other things. The capabilities of such a device are fundamentally different from something that's tethered to a desk or that's conspicuous when out-and-about. The idea of it being open and untrackable is exciting for some and terrifying for others.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#448

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I'll bite. For me, Google services are not an option, so my Android experience is sans-Google. Until September 2025, I'd say iOS had actually gotten better than Android. CalDAV, CardDAV, and SMB are baked into iOS, whereas these are onerous to set up on Android. These are very very nice protocols, and I use them all daily. (Contacts, Calendars, Notes, Reminders, and Files.) Apple's developer ecosystem lacks the FOSS…

>CalDAV, CardDAV, and SMB are baked into iOS, whereas these are onerous to set up on Android I can only speak to SMB but it is not hard on Android. I use a longtime third party app so not sure what the state of native support is but it works just fine for me, including over VPN

Which app?

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

Dumb question, can you explain the benefits of IOS? I've only tried using an iPhone ~10 years ago before I got into tech

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#450

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People forget how much the mobile hardware industry relies on non-free infrastructure. Infrastructure developed by companies that make the standards. You really can't make a good open-source phone because you, pretty much, have to play by the rules of the companies in these consortiums.

Except Librem 5 has been created and is usable by the HN people.

Does the Librem 5 not rely on any non-free code or infrastructure?
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