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Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by jerf »

compiler-guy wrote: post #432
carlosjobim wrote: post #413

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No, there's an original and correct meaning. Just because a majority might be wrong, doesn't make them right.

Language evolves. Historical meaning can inform our understanding of modern usage but doesn’t dictate or govern it. Linguists call this “semantic drift” and it occurs in every language we know of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change Wikipedias first English example is: Awful – Literally "full of awe", originally meant "inspiring wonder (or fear)", hence "impressive". In contemporary usage, the word means "e…

Possibly even more directly, the etymological fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by dotancohen »

Melatonic wrote: post #404
dotancohen wrote: post #391

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Thank you. I wonder if photo stores might have the device, and if they would loan it. I'm surprised there is no method of calibration against common objects of known colour, such as Euro bills.

If you use the proper profile for your monitor and set the monitor to a profile that's relatively accurate it should be decent

Thank you. I'll research that.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by ulimn »

godshatter wrote: post #436

I get a blank white screen in firefox on windows. I don't consider this to be blue, so I guess their blue is not my blue.

I guess it's not a browser issue. I tried firefox, safari and brave on macos and neither worked, even in private window. Bummer.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by carlosjobim »

compiler-guy wrote: post #432
carlosjobim wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there's an original and correct meaning. Just because a majority might be wrong, doesn't make them right.

Language evolves. Historical meaning can inform our understanding of modern usage but doesn’t dictate or govern it. Linguists call this “semantic drift” and it occurs in every language we know of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change Wikipedias first English example is: Awful – Literally "full of awe", originally meant "inspiring wonder (or fear)", hence "impressive". In contemporary usage, the word means "e…

Just because we can - and should - understand what people mean when they use words wrongly, doesn't mean that words don't have correct meanings. That makes the world poorer, for no benefit at all.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by reactordev »

BlackFly wrote: post #428
reactordev wrote: post #42

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That’s the point of this. To find out where in that spectrum your vision lands, not to get a perfect score.

The attempted point being to measure and compare how people classify colors between blue and green when given a false dichotomy between the two. But it cannot do that without bias, since people always have the third choice to drop out when they don't like their choices. There is also another bias, which is people will just select some random option when they want to say something equivalent to "blue-green" but don't…

Conjecture is precisely why you don’t understand the test. Bias is the point! Binary choice is how you derive it. No answer is not an answer. How do you not see this? Any conjecture on anything but the two options defeats the entire point of the test. The test is to find your bias towards blue or green. Cake or death.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by thaumasiotes »

juliansark wrote: post #433
something765478 wrote: post #427

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I'm a Russian speaker, but I've never thought of goluboy and siniy as separate colors, unlike blue and green. To me, goluboy and siniy are like pink and red; just different shades of the same color.

You blew my mind with "pink and red being different shades of the same color". p.s. I am color vision handicapped or whatever that is called.

> You blew my mind with "pink and red being different shades of the same color".

This is also how native English speakers (with color vision) view pink and red. Compare the classic dialogue from Red vs Blue ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCwYfSeqAw8#t=47 ):

Look at it! It's not pink! It's like a... a lightish red.

Guess what. They already have a color for lightish red. You know what it's called? PINK.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by FabHK »

jibal wrote: post #280
moate wrote: post #260

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It's almost like color is a spectrum of light and we just arbitrarily slice it and decide "this has a name" because we are finite being who demand order from things that are not ordered and then demand further order from that order and get REALLY mad.

But color isn't a spectrum of light. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/color/

Just because it is 2D doesn't mean it's not a spectrum.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by thaumasiotes »

carlosjobim wrote: post #403
adrian_b wrote: post #343

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While "orange" did not exist as a single word in most languages, already in Old English or even in Latin or Ancient Greek one could find mentions about things that were "red-yellow". Moreover, in ancient languages there were very few words that designed just a color, with no other meaning for the word, but it was very frequent to use words derived from the names of various things, which meant "of the color of the X t…

> Moreover, in ancient languages there were very few words that designed just a color, with no other meaning for the word, but it was very frequent to use words derived from the names of various things, which meant "of the color of the X thing". Isn't this how things are still today? For example "orange".

> Isn't this how things are still today? For example "orange".

Well, it's true that that's how we got the color term "orange".

It's not true that words that refer specifically to a color, as opposed to metaphorically referring to the color of the noun that is the primary meaning of the word, are rare. They're not rare in modern languages, and they also aren't rare in ancient languages. Your parent comment is mistaken.

Compare e.g. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic... [only meaning: "red"], but note that this is normal.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by jstanley »

pibaker wrote: post #289
ajkjk wrote: post #104

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There's no way for me to answer truthfully whether teal is blue or green. It is neither. Anything I give gives a false answer. The data is invalid.

How would you feel about a test for "teal or blue" or "teal or green?" You still need to make binary choices, just along different boundaries. Would it make any difference?

How would you feel if the site showed you red and asked if it was blue or green?
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