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Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by fc417fc802 »

tzs wrote: post #425
fc417fc802 wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that a bunch of seemingly disparate actors are behaving in a highly coordinated manner is evidence against central orchestration? What an absurd suggestion.

You are assuming without evidence that they are coordinated, then using that to infer central orchestration, and then using that inferred central organization to support coordination. When there is something that aligns with the interests of several disparate groups it is common for them to all support that something with the need for some central organization.

> You are assuming without evidence that they are coordinated

The evidence is the highly abnormal behavior. The alignment of interests is a red herring.

> it is common for them to all support that something with the need for some central organization.

Sure, as is frequently seen with the conferences and administrative bodies surrounding treaties and the like. Would you care to point out this central organizing body that a bunch of people posting here appear mysteriously determined to deny the existence of?

What exactly is your position? First you object to an alleged lack of evidence on my part, then turn around and seemingly attempt to justify the observed behavior with the argument that coordination in the open is normal and expected. So do you acknowledge the presence of what appears to be centralized coordination in this instance or not?

What was your purpose in responding here?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #305
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #194

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The parents could also check their kids phones and ground them if they find them using social networks. The parents don't actually need their adult, childless neighbors to show their IDs to protect their kids, but it seems we're going down that exact path.

What part of zero knowledge proofs is problematic for the neighbors?

Needing to have an attested device made by one of two US companies and not even rooted, just to watch a true crime podcast on youtube.

Also, while very hard to implement today, when most people have their digital IDs on their phones, implementing a "real name online" policy will be easy, one software upgrade and you'll need to provide your real identity to every social network or website.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by dzhiurgis »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #397
dzhiurgis wrote: post #368

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So tiktok is the only uncensored source of information about Israel?

A disingenuous response. No one said that. Tiktok in the US previously had an algorithm that wasn't in keeping with US government goals. That's not a value judgement on my part BTW. Personally I avoid the ingestion of opaque algorithmic feeds to the extent possible.

So whats your unbiased source?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by bigfatkitten »

chid wrote: post #423
kdheiwns wrote: post #229

We can't even get countries to agree on a unified drinking age, but somehow the whole world is simultaneously coming to the conclusion that you need to be 16 to use social media, and websites and operating systems all need North Korean ID verification to prove you're over 16. There is a zero percent chance this is organic

I can't quite understand how Australia was at the forefront of this. It seems like an easy way to limit the open web, and no children actually saved.

I can. Australian governments of both partisan persuasions have always had an authoritarian streak. This sort of thing has always been naturally attractive to them.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by vaginaphobic »

kdheiwns wrote: post #229

We can't even get countries to agree on a unified drinking age, but somehow the whole world is simultaneously coming to the conclusion that you need to be 16 to use social media, and websites and operating systems all need North Korean ID verification to prove you're over 16. There is a zero percent chance this is organic

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by philistine »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #432
philistine wrote: post #411

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You're decrying this supposed issue, that multiple countries are all copying one another for legislation. You've repeated this multiple times in these comments. And yet, after all this, you're not interested enough to remember who's behind this important issue for you . If someone really cares they should get informed.

> you're not interested enough to remember who's behind this important issue for you You're demanding that others spoon feed you peer reviewed evidence that water is wet. As you say, if you really care you should expend the effort to inform yourself. I myself have no need at present for the hazily remembered details. The only thing at issue in the here and now was the absurd claim that there's no centralized lobbying…

> if you really care you should expend the effort to inform yourself.

I don't care. Unlike you, I am sufficiently informed about how legislatures around the world operate to know that coordination of this nature is common, anodine, and the way they have enshrined a global economy that has unlocked unfathomable wealth.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by kalleboo »

joe_mamba wrote: post #404
retired wrote: post #334

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In most EU countries, children of farmers can drive 10 ton death machines with pointy spikes on the front from the age of 14 to 16. In some countries you can even do that on public roads!

>In most EU countries, children of farmers can drive 10 ton death machines with pointy spikes on the front from the age of 14 to 16 Are you sure that's legal? If those kids kill someone with those farm death machines, who goes to jail for it? The kid or the pearant who gave him the equipment? Will your insurance cover this?

In Sweden people notoriously push the law to the extreme by modifying cars with speed limiters etc to legally count as tractors https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/22/when-is-a-car-...

> Will your insurance cover this?

Yes, since it's legal

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by chickensong »

traderj0e wrote: post #402
chickensong wrote: post #354

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Yes, there's no law requiring it. It's just corporate BS. They want to scan your license, that's it. Some cashiers will push back because that's what they've been told to do, but if you ask for a manager they'll admit it's not a requirement.

I know it's not required by law to scan it, but it might be a store policy, in which case I don't think there's a law disallowing that kind of store policy. They'll tell you to shop elsewhere, and every big store does it. The only law involved is the one that penalizes them harshly if anyone underage manages to buy liquor. If fake IDs are less likely to pass that scan, maybe that's why they do it.

I'm sure it's CYA for the stores, but then they're holding copies of your license and doing who knows what else with it. I've been seeing more of it getting rolled out, but so far I just present my license if they ask for it, but don't relinquish it and tell them I don't want it scanned. So far it's never been a hard line. I did it yesterday and the cashier just shrugged and I paid.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by hibberl6 »

kdheiwns wrote: post #229

We can't even get countries to agree on a unified drinking age, but somehow the whole world is simultaneously coming to the conclusion that you need to be 16 to use social media, and websites and operating systems all need North Korean ID verification to prove you're over 16. There is a zero percent chance this is organic

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by samsin »

sunaookami wrote: post #360
andrewla wrote: post #293

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> hint: it's not because of the kids Why the silly conspiracy theory? Can't something just be stupid and bad but well-intentioned? You really think lawmakers are involved in some secret cabal that wants to track everyone's activities online? If anything, jurisdictions have shown that they are very interested in preventing the tracking of people's activity online, they just don't know how to do it!

>You really think lawmakers are involved in some secret cabal that wants to track everyone's activities online? ...yes? Not so secret though. The internet gave everyone the power to take matters in their own hands and read up on different sources from different countries and people and to talk to more people. They don't want to lose power and want their citizens to be uninformed and not coordinate efforts to critizic…

The Snowden files that implicated US agencies and social media companies?
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