What would be the wxact opposite of Meta as a company? Small, privacy focused, HN blacklisted at work? Am I missing something?
Low pay, to be fair.
Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
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Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…
a bathroom stall is also a company property. Does the note about not expecting privacy extend there too?
At the risk of sounding like an LLM, a laptop is not just "something you get at work", it's literally your work tool. If you were hired at Shit Producers Inc as a defecator, you'd damn bet they would surveil the bathroom stalls there.
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#443Honestly, I doubt this data is as useful as they think.
Half my workday is me browsing random tabs while an AI agent does the actual work. They're going to train a model on alt-tabbing and scrolling HN/Twitter/Reddit.
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As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…
Already 10 years ago, I got an email from a webshop I used to use once , informing me they were closing down. They'd happily sell the customer database to me, if I were interested. Mind you, they were so desperate that they made this offer to all their customers . Its anecdotal, and only tangentially related. But my point is, companies blatantly selling your data isn't exactly a new thing, and not really AI related e…
It's true. I think the difference is that now it has slightly different implications as well as scale.
Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
#445Makes me think of how the US army trains their waterboarders: by waterboarding them first.
The goal is to manufacture a lack of empathy along the lines of: "why should I treat this person better than I was treated".
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#446This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.
> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy.
One must be a fool to do any of this on any company-owned hardware. Facebook or no Facebook.
Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…
> Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness [citation needed]
It's pretty common, Google it. Here is a website that will help your ai draft job offers with example clauses for it
https://www.lawinsider.com/clause/right-to-use-employees-nam...
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> This is the exact type of thing that software IC’s should reject in solidarity. Yes. Which includes quitting, en masse, from any company that does this. Meta ought to find it impossible to employ anyone with a policy like this.
I thought mass quitting in solidarity would happen when programmers realize how their work is used to train AI and replace them. How many quit because of that? Doesn't seem like many. Apparently, money wins over principles for 99% of us. How is this different and how are we better than Meta employees?
I don't think the two things are comparable. While it would be inconvenient for me personally if I was replaced by AI, it would be an enormous social good as the resources saved could go somewhere else. The same could not be said about everyone under constant surveillance by some megacorp or the government.
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They could perfect it in house and then roll it out as a product. The way people type and use a mouse are pretty identifying especially when coupled with other things. I do agree screenshots themselves are less useful for that.
That doesn't make any sense. 1. Why use their employee's data to fingerprint input? They could do that to a billion+ of their users instead. 2. Input fingerprinting is multi-decades old science, there are already production products that do this.
Are there products that do this with all of the other metadata that meta now collects? At the scale that meta collects them? My guess is no.
Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training
#450for the company that is one of the major players in tracking similar data across the web, i don't see much wrong with this.
if they continue to share their work through open releases despite the leadership change, i hope we get to benefit with their work.
not quite optimistic about the result as i wonder if on aggregate we all consistently interact with computers the most efficient way possible. maybe to beat captcha or scraper detection through mimicry perhaps.