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Re: Claude Design

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Post by whatever1616 »

paul7986 wrote: post #66
ossa-ma wrote: post #30

The more I think about it the more this isn't good for design [EDIT], for a few reasons: - The best design is original, groundbreaking and often counterintuitive. An AI model is incapable of that, it's uninspired, it will absolutely converge to the norm and homogeneity (you see it everywhere now, just scroll on ShowHN and take a look at the UIs) and produce the safest design that appeals to its understanding of the i…

Web design / digital design is a dying field as businesses will start paying one person who does 3 to 4 roles (PM, UX Research, Design and UI Development - tho why use a design tool for web stuff when AI tools generate designs in code), as well now tons of ppl can do this work using AI tools. Further, is the future of digital experiences user interfaces aka the web or will there be an AI Phone where everything is don…

>AI Phone where everything is done / seen on the lock screen (AI generates the visuals as you text or talk to it) and or its more of a text and voice digital experience less UI.

I think more expressive UIs are the future but i disagree with this sort of thing being accomplished with a non deterministic tool such as AI generating UIs, you are throwing stability and consistency along with familiarity out the window.

The idea of tools being almost UI-less and composable and modular has been a "dream" since xerox parc or see for example the book "the humane interface" which happens to also ahead of its time outline reasons why such generative interfaces would be a bad idea especially at such a large scale.

AI can potentially relieve some friction with that paradigm but definitely not in that way or even that extent.

Re: Claude Design

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Post by eric_cc »

idle_zealot wrote: post #382
eric_cc wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel sorry for anyone that will think using tools equals doing design, because of the truly marvelous human experiences that they’ll miss, and that could never be replaced by the shallow pride of empty achievement. What if you don’t give a shit about design and it’s a means to an end for a project that involves something different that you do care about?

> What if you don’t give a shit about design and it’s a means to an end for a project that involves something different that you do care about? Thank you for so succinctly demonstrating the problem with using AI for everything. You used to have to either care enough to do the design yourself or find someone who cared and specialized in that to do it for you. Now you quickly and cheaply fill in the parts you don't per…

> You used to have to either care enough to do the design yourself or find someone who cared and specialized in that to do it for you.

Or worse, you gave up because you did not have the time to learn the skill or the money to hire somebody. In this case, your dream just died.

Re: Claude Design

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

nightski wrote: post #407
tempest_ wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really really really depends on how you are using it and what you are using it for. I can get LLMs to write most CSS I need by treating it like a slot machine and pulling the handle till it spits out what I need, this doesnt cause me to learn CSS at all.

I find it a lot more useful to dive into bugs involving multiple layers and versions of 3rd party dependencies. Deep issues where when I see the answer I completely understand what it did to find it and what the problem was (so in essence I wouldn't of learned anything diving deep into the issue), but it was able to do so in a much more efficient fashion than me referencing code across multiple commits on github, doc…

Indeed, many if not most bugs are intellectually dull. They're just lodged within a layered morass of cruft and require a lot of effort to unearth. It is rarely intellectually stimulating, and when it is as a matter of methodology, it is often uninteresting as a matter of acquired knowledge.

The real fun of programming is when it becomes a vector for modeling something, communicating that model to others, and talking about that model with others. That is what programming is, modeling. There's a domain you're operating within. Programming is a language you use to talk about part of it. It's annoying when a distracting and unessential detail derails this conversation.

Pure vibe coding is lazy, but I see no problem with AI assistants. They're not a difference in kind, but of degree. No one argues that we should throw away type checking, because it reduces the cognitive load needed to infer the types of expressions in dynamic languages in your head. The reduction in wasteful cognitive load is precisely the point.

Quoting Aristotle's Politics, "all paid employments [..] absorb and degrade the mind". There's a scale, arguably. There are intellectual activities that are more worthy and better elevate the mind, and there are those that absorb its attention, mold it according to base concerns, drag it into triviality, and take time away away from higher pursuits.

Re: Claude Design

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Post by whatever1616 »

xnx wrote: post #156

The faster we commodify design the faster we can get back to some sane consistent normal interfaces. Only the very biggest platforms (e.g. Google, Microsoft, Apple) should be spending any time on "design systems". Imagine if a designer were hired to custom design the lightswitches in every building. We need to get back to off-the-shelf interfaces and stop wasting smart people's time reinventing UI widgets.

> Only the very biggest platforms (e.g. Google, Microsoft, Apple) should be spending any time on "design systems".

Like what they have some superior knowledge or ability to design ?

Let me remind you they weren't always tech giants, what if we said lets stop innovating before apple or any of these became a thing.

Re: Claude Design

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

bauerd wrote: post #309
pilgrim0 wrote: post #285

On Notes on the Synthesis of Form, Alexander defines design as the rationalization of the forces that define a problem. You’ll won’t find a better definition. But people tend to think design is the synthesis and its results. This misunderstanding of the role of design and the designer is responsible for all the unfit designs we encounter on a daily basis. Anyone equipped with a synthesis tool and feeling empowered to…

This is a really verbose way to say that using generative AI has a detrimental effect on the user because one deprives themselves of the learning experience.

And, anyone who reads your comment will be deprived of the experience of learning why your comment makes so much sense.

Re: Claude Design

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Post by DrewADesign »

bauerd wrote: post #309
pilgrim0 wrote: post #285

On Notes on the Synthesis of Form, Alexander defines design as the rationalization of the forces that define a problem. You’ll won’t find a better definition. But people tend to think design is the synthesis and its results. This misunderstanding of the role of design and the designer is responsible for all the unfit designs we encounter on a daily basis. Anyone equipped with a synthesis tool and feeling empowered to…

This is a really verbose way to say that using generative AI has a detrimental effect on the user because one deprives themselves of the learning experience.

Not really. It’s saying that most people in tech have no fucking idea what designers do, but somehow feel qualified to evaluate their output, and think tools that make things that look nice are designing things. What you reference is one effect of what the comment is about. Another effect is developers, combining this with engineer’s disease, being incredibly irritating to work with because they constantly make reductive comments that completely miss the point while other developers nod and say “yeah that sounds right.” I was a developer for ten years— I’ve seen this from both sides.

Re: Claude Design

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Post by 3sdfs »

gretch wrote: post #429
eric_cc wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you’re a musician and use design as part of your marketing? Why should a musician deep dive design when they really only care about music?

Presumably you care about the quality of your marketing. Otherwise why do it at all. Worst case scenario, your marketing turns people off to your music, who would have otherwise been listeners. Actually there’s some interesting problems here because a huge part of music marketing is in a visual medium, like a poster or album cover. It is literally impossible to include a clip of your sound. So you should be really in…

"Actually there’s some interesting problems here because a huge part of music marketing is in a visual medium, like a poster or album cover. It is literally impossible to include a clip of your sound."

The term you are looking for is 'aesthetic'.

And indeed.. music is far more than just a sound or whatever simple thing one tries to boil it down to.

Im convinced many (especially here) really dislike that - they want it just be a case of typing in a few things in an LLM and bam... there you go. They have zero clue about the nature of the economy, what's really going on in various markets etc etc.

Re: Claude Design

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

ossa-ma wrote: post #30

The more I think about it the more this isn't good for design [EDIT], for a few reasons: - The best design is original, groundbreaking and often counterintuitive. An AI model is incapable of that, it's uninspired, it will absolutely converge to the norm and homogeneity (you see it everywhere now, just scroll on ShowHN and take a look at the UIs) and produce the safest design that appeals to its understanding of the i…

Why is everyone hell bent on AI replacing the "best" designers or writers or coders?

Even the most deluded AI bulls don't say that AI is even meant to replace the best that humanity has to offer

Re: Claude Design

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Post by hellohello2 »

quotemstr wrote: post #130

Postmodernists are annoying because they are right about design. "Taste", aesthetics, design, vibes they're all as socially-constructed and post-truth as that annoying sophomore says everything is. The world is design is an isekai manga in which Derrida's delusions are the rules of physics. It's weird. Part of this weirdness is the continual relativism of design. A taste-meme is good or cringe only relative to the pr…

Interesting take. What do you think of using AI exploitatively? I have no doubt it can easily generate drafts or copy the style of one thing onto another, letting us rapidly try out ideas.

Re: Claude Design

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Post by mbesto »

mjr00 wrote: post #55
ljm wrote: post #18

I reckon something like this has only been possible to develop because of how homogenous the internet has become in terms of design ever since the glass effect and drop-shadows took over in Web 2.0 and Twitter Bootstrap entered the scene. You'll get a competent UI with little effort but nothing truly unique or mind-blowing. Impressive technology, but that old skool artisanal weirdness of yore only becomes more valuab…

There's no shame in being homogenous and obvious, though. If I'm building out an internal tool for, say, a hospital lawyer to search through malpractice lawsuits, I want my tool to be the most familiar, obvious, least-surprising UI/UX possible. Just stay out of the way and do what it's supposed to do. The trick is, of course, that the human is still responsible for knowing when homogenous is fine, or when there's rea…

> There's no shame in being homogenous and obvious, though.

The real world analog is this...

The reason people (especially Americans) stay in Marriott property hotels is because they are homogenous. If all I want to do is travel to Phoenix, AZ for work I want to know that the hotel room has the same mattress, desk, TV, customer service, etc. There is real legitimate value to that. So I'll book the Courtyard in Phoenix because I know exactly what I'm going to get.

On the other hand, when I'm traveling the Amalfi Coast in Italy, I want the Airbnb experience. Sure the bed is stiff, there's no A/C, and the 80 year old door frame is hard to close, but there is something magical about it.

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