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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by tpm »

scotty79 wrote: post #81
petcat wrote: post #62

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> there need to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

Basically EU should step in whenever country level government doesn't do a good enough job for its citizens. It's not strong enough to do that yet but a lot of people with cheap governments wish it was.

It doesn't work like that. The EU is established by the states and only has the authority to do what is delegated by the member states to the EU.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by engintl »

otterley wrote: post #353
necovek wrote: post #340

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They wrote them out. And digital media is similarly fungible, and media companies owning copyright can produce a single copy at insignificant cost — and illegal copies are usually produced at no cost to them too. If you would rather not consume content than pay with time and money being asked of you, there is no real loss to anyone if you consume an illegal copy.

> They wrote them out. Convenience is not a valid reason to violate others' rights. > there is no real loss to anyone if you consume an illegal copy. There is a real loss: The owner isn’t getting paid when people consume their product for free and without their permission. The entire point of copyright is to protect the time investment of and opportunity cost borne by the author when marginal reproduction cost is zer…

I'm not sure to understand where is the loss because the pirate would not pay for the product anyway.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by embedding-shape »

iamzenitraM wrote: post #311
embedding-shape wrote: post #217

Ironically, I live in Spain, and at this very minute, there is a football game going on (Atlético Madrid vs Barcelona) which I literally just learned about because I could just hear my neighbors scream about the 0-1 score, and with Vodafone ISP I'm not experiencing the block of Cloudflare right now. https://hayahora.futbol/ also shows "NO" incorrectly (if you're being strict about the title+domain). I'm guessing it's…

The site tracks not football matches, but when blocks occur, and, right now, there are not any. (The whole joke about the site is trying to detect football happening via internet blocks, as otherwise myself personally I wouldn't know at all otherwise about matches happening)

Yes, I'm aware of what joke the website tried to make, I was trying to explain how the "joke name" ("Is there football on right now?" in English, in case it wasn't clear) didn't quite make sense, because of the blocks only affecting La Liga games.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by embedding-shape »

Pay08 wrote: post #439
embedding-shape wrote: post #139

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> Language is the biggest thing that defines culture Lots of countries would disagree with this. Do you not think Peru and Spain has distinct cultures for example? Why/why not?

As you can clearly see, I did not say language was the only thing that defines culture. Do you think Peruvian culture is closer to Spanish or Swedish culture?

Your second question, "Do you want the Netherlands to perform some sort of countrywide assimilation into British or American culture?", really makes it unclear if you actually realize that language isn't the only thing that defines culture, why would that be a question otherwise?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by otterley »

squigz wrote: post #438
otterley wrote: post #430

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> we still would be paid for the same labour even if someone...illegally have access to the software we build. Where do you think that money comes from? It comes from the licensing of the software. If everyone is pirating the software, there’s no market for it, nobody’s going to buy it, and there will be no money to pay for your salary. > that does not mean that it would be significantly affected financially (other t…

I guess there's some confusion in that I don't think anybody's saying everyone should pirate everything all the time. That would, indeed, be problematic. But if companies keep pushing people to piracy... well, I'm not going to blame the people first, that's for sure. Especially when things like TFA happen.

But if you can excuse it for yourself, why shouldn’t the same reasoning hold for everyone else? Do you not see the slippery slope here?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by giantg2 »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #418
giantg2 wrote: post #402

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If it were a true market, the price would be much lower because it wouldn't be a monopoly.

A market is not defined by how many sellers there are.

If you want the market to "function as it should", then yes, the number of sellers plays a big role in a properly functioning market. Thats why we have regulations in additional to the invisible hand.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by otterley »

engintl wrote: post #442
otterley wrote: post #353

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> They wrote them out. Convenience is not a valid reason to violate others' rights. > there is no real loss to anyone if you consume an illegal copy. There is a real loss: The owner isn’t getting paid when people consume their product for free and without their permission. The entire point of copyright is to protect the time investment of and opportunity cost borne by the author when marginal reproduction cost is zer…

I'm not sure to understand where is the loss because the pirate would not pay for the product anyway.

1. We don't know that. Perhaps they would pay, at a lower price.

2. If it's OK for one person not to pay, why should anyone pay?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by squigz »

otterley wrote: post #445
squigz wrote: post #438

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I guess there's some confusion in that I don't think anybody's saying everyone should pirate everything all the time. That would, indeed, be problematic. But if companies keep pushing people to piracy... well, I'm not going to blame the people first, that's for sure. Especially when things like TFA happen.

But if you can excuse it for yourself, why shouldn’t the same reasoning hold for everyone else? Do you not see the slippery slope here?

No, I don't really see the slippery slope. If there were such a slope, I would imagine that decades into this piracy thing, we'd be sliding down it. Yet most people don't pirate. Strange?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by otterley »

squigz wrote: post #448
otterley wrote: post #445

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But if you can excuse it for yourself, why shouldn’t the same reasoning hold for everyone else? Do you not see the slippery slope here?

No, I don't really see the slippery slope. If there were such a slope, I would imagine that decades into this piracy thing, we'd be sliding down it. Yet most people don't pirate. Strange?

So you really don't understand that it should be OK for everyone to pirate if it's OK for you? Would you ever tell someone it's not OK? If so, why? And what makes you special and different?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by spurgu »

0x_rs wrote: post #89
petcat wrote: post #62

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> there need to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

There's a "European Declaration on Digital Rights and Principles", signed by the member states, and I believe the right to access internet freely, without companies being permitted to mandate entire IP addresses blocks being forbidden from routing and within 30 minutes from the request surely would fit within that one, or others, in some way or another. No company should hold that power and it's a serious precedent o…

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