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The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by lordloki »

protocolture wrote: post #356
rpmisms wrote: post #215

As an unabashed American, guns are amazing and an insanely important part of our national culture. Any attempt to diminish this is an attack on the culture of America. We are a nation of dangerous freedoms and matching individual responsibility. In order to maintain a functional country without ruining what makes America special, we need to simply actually enforce laws and I'll take apart in making our national cultu…

>We are a nation of dangerous freedoms Sell some AI chips to a chinese company lmao. America wasn't even this back when everyone says America was this. America is a bunch of slave and non slave states in a big trench coat, sharing the costs of bullying the rest of first the continent and then the rest of the planet. Yeah some of you have guns big whoop.

Big "those grapes are probably sour anyway" vibes.

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Post by jimbob45 »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #158
jimbob45 wrote: post #43

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No it’s not. Xi has power as absolute as Newsom and manages just fine. When your country has large, but solvable problems, absolute power works great for quelling unrest by fixing problems quickly and efficiently. Newsom is just generationally incompetent.

The argument isn't that authoritarians can't solve problems.. It more about how they do it. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/08/china-still-n...

Yes but Newsom isn’t even solving problems. It’s the worst of both worlds.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by BoneShard »

sleepybrett wrote: post #302
BoneShard wrote: post #139

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I think they don't give a shit about 3D printing, especially in CA. It's not like you're competing with a glock19 type hand gun and cornering this market.

Rebels in Myanmar were using various 3d printed guns just after the military coup (famously the FGC-9), which is like a PDW form factor chambered in 9mm. The barrels are metal, and i think the chamber as well, but the whole fire control group i think is all printed and of course all the furniture is plastic as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K1qXxONls4

well, it's not because they shopped around and were like - yeah, we don't like these AK-74s and ar15s, let's just use FGC-9 instead.

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Post by caconym_ »

jim33442 wrote: post #422
caconym_ wrote: post #135

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Reminds me of the sUAS legislation crushing the R/C flying hobby. Vague allusions to "safety" are constantly being thrown around, but in fact it seems that big companies are lobbying to claim the airspace for drone delivery and similar autonomous BVLOS operations.

Idk what law in particular, but if this is about flying drones at low altitude in places where other people didn't show up to hear drones buzzing, I'd want it banned whoever is doing it.

No, the regulations I'm referencing have nothing to do with where (in the local sense) you can and can't fly drones. Even if I owned a thousand square miles in the middle of nowhere and wanted to fly a 75mm tinywhoop in the center of my own property, these regulations would affect me exactly the same as they would some jackass taking video of women sunbathing on a crowded beach with an 8" cinelifter. Typically local laws provide the recourse you're looking for.

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Post by asdff »

rolph wrote: post #130
asdff wrote: post #47

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Can't you make a blunderbuss pretty easily with some rocks and scrap? I wonder how straight shooting a musket you could make? Probably pretty straight if you happened on something manufactured that already happens to fit pretty precise into your cylinder I'm guessing. You could probably get pretty far with airguns too. I mean a pellet gun is already enough to kill a bird or squirrel outright and pretty damn accurate.…

pellet guns use the "diablo" profile to the pellets. pellet guns have low spin per inch, and use drag to add extra stability. and keep velocity below that trans-sonic shock range. if you went to a reloading shop, and purchased some .177, or .22 projectiles, trimmed them down, or core them to about half wieght, and it will perform like a small rifle.

>pellet guns have low spin per inch, and use drag to add extra stability. and keep velocity below that trans-sonic shock range.

They are strong enough to embed the pellets into wooden fence boards already though. I think that is plenty enough velocity to blow out your trachea, enter your brain through your eye socket, and probably also penetrate the soft part of the skull.

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Post by doctorwho42 »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #144
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #65

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Some of these bills are written in such a way that they would apply to CNC manufacturing, such that they could even make building your own machine from scratch illegal. They are terribly oppressive and short-sighted.

“Short-sighted” implies that those in favour of this would see it as a bad thing, when in fact, that’s likely the real objective. This is just another shot in the war on ownership.

Well I'd imagine these same people decry the loss of manufacturing in the US. But these types of bills would add undue burden to small businesses as the future of fabrication is CNC based.

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Post by sheikhnbake »

remarkEon wrote: post #233
sheikhnbake wrote: post #199

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3D gun printing has come a long way in a short amount of time. 3D printed lower receivers can weather several hundred rounds of 7.62 at this point

That makes it useful for a hobbyist, but it is by no means a replacement for a properly manufactured lower.

Depends on what the intended use is. 3DP firearms have proliferated internationally and have been used against conventional militaries. Agreed they aren't a replacement, but practical use cases exist.

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Post by throw1234567891 »

tt24 wrote: post #327
throw1234567891 wrote: post #151

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You’d think they’d regulate guns instead.

I’m sorry, is it your opinion that guns aren’t currently regulated?

Not enough judging by the number of people killed with guns in the US.

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Post by sheikhnbake »

remarkEon wrote: post #318
Supermancho wrote: post #301

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Hobbyist or not, this makes it useful for getting guns (and other gear) from other people.

What I'm saying is that no one is going to build a lower in this manner for a firearm chambered in 7.62 and do anything useful/important with it. Maybe the cartridge size here is a distraction, idk, but this isn't a specification that I would consider common and/or useful for 3D printing a firearm. Even if your nominal intent is just to "finish" a gun with parts you have laying around, it's not going to be something…

I mention 7.62 specifically because most folks not familiar with 3D printed firearms are unaware that such a thing is even possible.

9mm 3DP guns have hit the news cycle repeatedly, less so for higher power cartridges. IIRC, there's a .50 BMG project well underway.

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Post by sheikhnbake »

DennisP wrote: post #249
sheikhnbake wrote: post #199

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3D gun printing has come a long way in a short amount of time. 3D printed lower receivers can weather several hundred rounds of 7.62 at this point

You can easily go through a couple hundred rounds in one visit to the range.

True. I used to do it regularly.
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