Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd like to emphasize that the above should be immediately obvious. The fact that it's not does not bode well for humanity's future. Billionaires simply _should not exist_. The fact that the power to shape societies is concentrated in so few can account for many of the existential threats we face today. AI is not "the problem", it's merely the latest symptom of our broken system and the prioritization of the wrong go…
AI, automation, and globalization would all be uncontroversially brilliant if the benefits weren't distributed like "150% of net benefit to capital, -50% net benefit to labor, better hope some of it trickles down brokie!"
AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
#442Earlier quoted context omitted.
Raising taxes is the only possible way a UBI would be feasible, and even then it wouldn't be a large enough amount for most people to live off of. Also, a UBI is likely to cause inflation.
I don’t understand why welfare is the answer. To me it seems we’ve super failed if that’s the case — just brings everyone down except a few ultra rich people.
Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
Raising taxes is the only possible way a UBI would be feasible, and even then it wouldn't be a large enough amount for most people to live off of. Also, a UBI is likely to cause inflation.
I don’t understand why welfare is the answer. To me it seems we’ve super failed if that’s the case — just brings everyone down except a few ultra rich people.
Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
MIT's motto is mens et manus : mind and hand. These are, basically, the two primary attributes of human labor. They're the reason almost anyone gets hired to do anything. Our brains and our opposable thumbs are what set us ahead of the animal kingdom. The industrial revolution first attempted to replace our hands. But the labor that was displaced had places to go: into smaller-scale manual work, where mass-production…
Again, this betrays a strong hindsight bias. Nobody had any idea what was coming with the industrial revolution. There wasn't obviously other work for people. And for long periods of time nobody had an answer to that question for large percentage of the population. In hindsight, we know the answers NOW, but then they did not know what was going to happen. We also don't know what's going to happen, it could go as you…
Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
#445I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.
I wholeheartedly agree with and encourage this kind of academic distinction. However... Until people with billions of dollars behind them do something with that money to offset the financial hardship that they're knowingly - and gleefully - bringing to others... The distinction has no practical use. (And before someone says "that's the government's job!", consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and compa…
We have a lattice of diverse legal and economic systems in the world and it takes just a single one to figure out the solution for others to learn from.
Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
#446Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well "most" devs is doing a lot of work here. I'm not sure about other devs, or even their number, but AI can most definitely NOT produce better code than I can. I use it after I have done the hard architectural work: defining complex types and interfaces, figuring out code organization, solving thorny issues. When these are done, it's now time to hand over to the agent to apply stuff everywhere following my patterns…
What you're describing is using it to do something you already can do at an expert level, and you already know exactly what you want the result to look like amd won't accept anything that deviates from what's already in your head. So like a code autocomplete. You don't really want the "intelligence" part, you want a mule. That's fine, and useful, but you're really putting a ceiling on it's potential. Try using it for…
These things bullshit their way about all the time. I've lost track of how many times they seem to produce something great, only for me, upon deeper inspect, to see what a subtle mess they have made. And when the work is a bit complex, I cannot verify on sight; I'd have to take time to do it.
Also, they absolutely cannot even produce some levels of code. Do you think I can just give them a prompt to produce a haskell-like language, allow them to crank for some hours, and have a language ready made?
Want an example? here is something Sonnet gave me just today:
const sort = sortKey ? { field: "name", order: "ascending" } as const : undefined
Where sortKey is defined as: const sortKey: "name-asc" | "name-desc" | "recently-accessed" | "least-recently-accessed" | undefined
I just realized this a few minutes ago after reviewing the code.Here is another one:
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Given:
queryX: >>(args
: {
entity: Ent
query: QueryArgs, Col, fOperators>
auditInfo?: AuditSpec
}
) => Promise, Col>[]>>
export type QueryArgs = StrKeyOf, FltrOp extends FilterOpsAll = FilterOpsAll> = {
/** Fields to include in results (defaults to all) */
fields?: Fld[],
/** Filters to apply */
filter?: RecordFilter,
/** Sorting to apply */
sort?: {
field: Fld
order: SortOrder
},
/** Pagination to apply */
page?: {
maxCount?: number | undefined
startFrom?: {
sortFieldKey: any,
idKey: ID
} | undefined
}
}
And: const sort = sortKey ? { field: "name", order: "ascending" } as const : undefined
const xx = storage.queryX({ entity: "cabinets", query: { filter, sort, page: page ? { startFrom: page } : undefined } })
I get this as the type of xx: Promise[]>>Which is obviously wrong. I should be getting the full type, i.e., all columns picked. The problem is that the Column generic parameter is not being properly inferred, which is (probably) due to the sorting by name, since the sort column is defined to have to be part of the query field name, so when field is not provided, TypeScript infers the fields as the sort column name.
Neither ChatGPT nor Claude Opus have been able to solve this after one hour, suggesting all kinds of things that don't work. But I have solved it myself, with:
export type QueryArgs = StrKeyOf, FltrOp extends FilterOpsAll = FilterOpsAll, Srt extends Fld = Fld> = {
/** Fields to include in results (defaults to all) */
fields?: Fld[],
/** Filters to apply */
filter?: RecordFilter,
/** Sorting to apply */
sort?: {
field: Srt// StrKeyOf
order: SortOrder
},
/** Pagination to apply */
page?: {
maxCount?: number | undefined
startFrom?: { sortFieldKey: any, idKey: ID } | undefined
}
}
And: queryX: >, Srt extends Col = Col>(args
: {
entity: Ent,
query: QueryArgs, Col, fOperators, Srt>,
auditInfo?: AuditSpec
}
) => Promise, Col | Srt>[]>>Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
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> AI is different Literally the same thing. > humans will be economically obsolete and worthless Only if we are talking about a socialist system (and they are making pretty small progress in the field of AI). A human's value under a capitalist system is equal to their ability to create goods and services. And AI cannot make this ability smaller in any way. A people's well-being is literally the goods and services cre…
> A human's value under a capitalist system is equal to their ability to create goods and services. And AI cannot make this ability smaller in any way. Yes they can. Your ability to produce goods and services depends on the infrastructure around you. When that's all run by AIs for AIs, humans won't be able to compete. See that land over there producing food you need to eat? It turns out it's more economically efficie…
Yeah, and who is creating those infrastructure? Jesus? This is the same part of goods and services.
> When that's all run by AIs for AIs, humans won't be able to compete.
So what? The ability to produce goods and services (and therefore general well-being) will not decrease because of that.
> It turns out it's more economically efficient to pave it over with data centers etc
By the way, a good argument against your position. Agricultural land is very cheap, but the vast majority of people who believe AI will put people out of work and worsen overall well-being are for some reason reluctant to buy this asset, which would see a catastrophic increase in value under such a scenario. So these people are either incapable of analyzing the economic processes, and their predictions are worthless, or they don’t really believe in such a scenario.
> will favour AIs over humans
Let me repeat: it does not reduce the ability to create goods and services. Under capitalism, this is the only characteristic that determines people's well-being.
> ...to the AI-run companies!
I think this is a fairly unlikely scenario. But even in this very unlikely case, people's well-being will not be reduced. Simply because of the mechanisms of creating well-being.
> Without UBI most people (or maybe everyone) would starve.
Economic theory (and 20th-century economic practice) demonstrates the exact opposite. In every country that attempted to effectively implement UBI, it led to a sharp decline in production and mass starvation. Literally every single time.
Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
#448I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.
Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
#449If the “billionaires” AI us out of our livelihoods will they need to learn how to pour a perfect espresso shot or use a voltage tester when they need to change a light bulb? Who’s gonna run the data centers and unclog toilets? They themselves? The thing is out of the bottle, regulations won’t help. What’s the end game like, some neo-feudalism with benevolent UBI serfdom and everyone on welfare?
How we get from now to a time with far fewer people, well, use your imagination.
Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It
#450Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, the totality of the private sector. Literally every company in US with more than 100 employees is trying to position itself effectively. The government is as well, to a much smaller degree, but the fact remains that there is too many unknowns right now to do anything concrete with any great level of confidence. We tried UBI-lite™ during COVID and inflation exploded, so unless the economy has already changed sign…
We should not treat this as an acceptable strategy. If we do not have a viable mitigation for the risks of AI, then AI should be banned from public usage, just like nuclear weapons.
The fact that we don't already measure/enforce outcomes for legislative actions should tell you everything you need to know.