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81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by xtiansimon »

reaperducer wrote: post #342
ryandrake wrote: post #282

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He shouldn't even need a reason. "I don't want a smartphone" should be sufficient and should not lock one out of commerce, events, and other cultural experiences. In 50 years, everyone's going to have an advertisement-injecting brain implant, and stores are going to require you to have one in order to purchase anything, and they'll lock you out of commerce as a filthy Luddite if you don't get one. And, 50 years from…

He shouldn't even need a reason. "I don't want a smartphone" should be sufficient and should not lock one out of commerce, events, and other cultural experiences. When I run into this (most recently at a hospital), I tell them "The court doesn't allow me to have a smart phone because I'm a hazard to national security.†" When they argue (very rarely), I tell them "Take it up with judge Kelso in the 225th District Cour…

> “Absolutely a lie, but I really don't GAF.”

I’ve been here and I’ll say I’d rather lose in logical argument, then win through lies. It’s so corrosive and people who know you either know this about you or will learn it. Turn back now while there’s still a chance.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by kleiba »

bradlys wrote: post #408
kleiba wrote: post #407

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What for? It was a mandatory step but my wife and I will manage the credit through an app on her phone. Minimally, I should have the option to waive it.

You’re both signing up and aren’t one singular entity. She might be the one actually using the app and whatever line of credit but you’re still signing up with the bank. They need a way to do 2FA for you and not just her. If you divorce, how are they going to do 2FA when you’re separated? If it was her phone number then she could imitate you and get more credit or do whatever. Etc. etc. Genuinely no idea why you’re n…

I have genuinely no idea why I need a smartphone to get a line of credit, and that there is no alternative for people who don't have one.

Also, the thought that we as a married couple are not an entity is strange to me, but I guess that's the modern way of thinking, and I am old.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by jjulius »

crazygringo wrote: post #397
jjulius wrote: post #331

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>I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. That's the point, though - we shouldn't need always-on, 24/7-access to email for everything always and forever. You're just victim-blaming at this point. >Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I have a very fun and exciting story about being locked out of my Google Wallet account for that very thing while…

If you need to log in to something, yes you need always-on, 24-7 access to email or to SMS depending on how the service/account is configured. That's a very common form of 2FA. I'm not victim-blaming, this is just bog-standard security. And what I said is "not a thing" is TicketMaster preventing you from entering an event because you've changed location and that you "have no recourse". You definitely have recourse, t…

Again, the point is that that shouldn't need to be how things function. That you ignore that point of my comment and continue to blame the person for not adhering to how things are misses the point and just continues this circular conversation. Enjoy your day.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by intensifier »

Many elderly Indians lost access to their bank accounts for months to years after biometric ID (Aadhar) was made mandatory. Their fingerprints were required to KYC which became impossible for many people because of their fingers no longer giving consistent or any print after working in labor their whole life.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by jamincan »

antisol wrote: post #429
Raed667 wrote: post #189

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He can get a smartphone dedicated to the ticket app if it is such a huge piece of his life/hobby

What if he doesn't agree to google/apple's terms of service?

Then he can't buy the tickets. People aren't born with a god-given right to get seasons tickets to Dodger's games. There are businesses that choose not to handle cash and only accept credit or debit payments. I need to agree to a credit card companies terms and conditions for that too. Is that unreasonable?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by crazygringo »

nobody9999 wrote: post #413
EvanAnderson wrote: post #165

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> “It costs more to support non app users” is not a sufficient justification. For sure. If that was true the answer would be "charge the non-app users a nominal fee to cover the cost". Invasive tracking is the point, not the cost. It's anti-consumer.

>For sure. If that was true the answer would be "charge the non-app users a nominal fee to cover the cost". >Invasive tracking is the point, not the cost. It's anti-consumer. The last (and likely the last ) time I went to an MLB game (not the Dodgers), perhaps six years ago or so, I was required to install a smartphone app when I purchased my tickets, keep that app on my smartphone for before and during the actual ga…

Surely there's an option to unsubscribe from marketing emails. Did you try? It's highly illegal not to have that.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by 9rx »

jjav wrote: post #291
9rx wrote: post #278

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> I can't think of any other case pre-smartphone, where I'd be denied the ability to buy a product simply because I didn't want to have to buy another totally unrelated product as a condition. Then you must not have been around pre-smartphone? Those of us who were will remember having to buy either banknotes or checks. Later, some would accept a certain type of card that you could buy. If you weren't willing to buy a…

None of this is comparable lock-in. You could buy checks from hundreds of different vendors and none had any lock-in on you. You could use a different vendor each time if you wanted. By certain type of card I assume credit cards, which can also be had from thousands of different banks. Also, credit cards are free to get and checks cost a few pennies. Not remotely comparable to being forced to buy a phone to get to a…

> You could buy checks from hundreds of different vendors

Likewise, last time I was at the mall there were dozens of smartphone vendors in that one place alone.

> Also, credit cards are free to get and checks cost a few pennies.

There are plenty of zero-down smartphones available too. Nothing is free, of course.

> Not remotely comparable to being forced to buy a phone to get to a game.

Nobody was talking about comparisons, but if you really find it necessary to take us off-topic, Ferrari has long required you to first buy lower-end Ferraris if you want to buy higher-end Ferraris. That predates smartphones as well. Rolex, Hermès, etc. have all done similar things. Needing to buy things in order to buy other things is nothing usual in the world of luxury items.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by crazygringo »

tomwheeler wrote: post #359
crazygringo wrote: post #318

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Why would you sign into Ticketmaster with an email address you don't have access to and use it to buy tickets? Don't do that. Create a new account with the email address you have access to. Apps require you to sign in again all the time , and send a verification code to your e-mail to do so. Changing locations is, yes, a reason to require sign in. Sorry, but that one's on you.

> Why would you sign into Ticketmaster with an email address you don't have access to and use it to buy tickets? Because in the context of signing in, its role is that of a user ID. Ticketmaster spams that address constantly. It's a valid email address, to be sure, but they've trained me over the years never to look at it. They certainly didn't do any multi-factor authentication when I bought the tickets, only when I…

I have a Ticketmaster account. I just unsubscribed from the marketing emails. It's easy. No more spam.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by crazygringo »

jjav wrote: post #419
crazygringo wrote: post #320

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Plenty of people can't get credit cards. Plenty of people can't even get bank accounts. It's absolutely comparable lock-in.

While acknowledging the frustration of someone who can't (always support cash, the ultimate zero-lock-in solution!), it is disingenious to call them comparable. Bank accounts and credit cards can be had for free, and if you can't get one from one place there are literally thousands of other places to try. (Also I'm not sure how one can't get some bank account? I grew up very poor and still had a bank account in my te…

Back accounts require social security numbers or equivalents often. I've lived abroad and had an impossible time opening a bank account.

Credit cards require things like proof of income, a certain credit score, etc.

A cheap Android and a cheap MVNO plan costs almost nothing, the equivalent of about 3 hours of minimum wage per month.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by crazygringo »

duskdozer wrote: post #420
crazygringo wrote: post #97

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It does, however, easily get lost or left behind. Phones, on the other hand, can be charged. And if they're smashed, you can just log into your account on a friend's phone if you haven't replaced yours yet. If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket.

>If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket. So, the app isn't necessary then?

For people in an emergency, usually no.

Obviously they can only accommodate this for well under 1% of attendees. And you'd better have a good story as to what happened to your phone and have an ID.

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