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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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> While the law requires men to request the permit, the spokesperson clarified, it also obliges the military career center to issue it, if "no specific military service is expected during the period in question.” > "Since military service under current law is based exclusively on voluntary participation, such permissions must generally be granted,” the official added. > When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed o…

Ah, invasive extra paperwork (enforced by criminal penalties, at least in theory) for something they say on the surface they won’t actually need. So very german (hah)

They dont need now. Germany is getting ready for being invaded by Russia, basically. They are also building mandatory military service.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Millions of people were not burned to death due to not living under Nazi rule you mean. Most of our ancestors did join a draft, as it was universal, be it the Napoleon wars, WW1 or WW2. This interpretation of history is highly creative I will give you that

Name 10 common soldiers who liberated a concentration camp , from the top of your head. If you care so much about that as you give the impression of doing.

Sorry I am failing to see your point.

Are you implying that the fact there are no common soldiers famous for liberating concentration camps, means that saving further millions that would be killed by the eventual Nazi occupation of Europe, is in vain?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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> Annual budget $31.3 million (FY 2024) If it hasn’t been used in 50 years, is there some other use for the registry or the organization or why hasn’t this been cut yet?

Keeping it around just in case the US encounters an existential threat. You never know when it may happen.

Probably July by this rate

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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In the United States, adult males have to sign up for the Selective Service for the same reason even though we haven't had conscription since the Vietnam War in the late 1970s(?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

> Annual budget $31.3 million (FY 2024) If it hasn’t been used in 50 years, is there some other use for the registry or the organization or why hasn’t this been cut yet?

The Army of the United States has also not been used in over 50 years,but does that mean it couldn't be used again?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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We're not having this conversation in a cultural vacuum; men figure out at a young age that if things go to shit, their lives become expendable for the sake of the community. I view conscription as a form of slavery; something that I hope never happens to me or anybody, but could conceivably happen. That's the way the world has worked for thousands of years, and the Bayesian meme asks me to therefore bet on it contin…

> That's not feminism, that's insanity. No, it's equality. Taken to its logical conclusion, you cannot have gender equality without either making the draft cover everyone or abolishing it entirely. The fact that women losing their lives is so much larger a risk for the nation only serves to test the resolve of those people claiming to want gender equality, but this is not the only time you'll find a conflict between…

It would be equality if there were a law forcing women to have children during a war. Which is insane and no one would support it.

But young men maybe dying after being forced to fight against their will? Completely fine.

It's honestly just very telling how in modern Western egalitarianism, gender essentialism is factually wrong and evil unless we're explaining why men need to die for their country.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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And "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person." Military service also serves the purpose to defend that right when the country is attacked. Rights aren't absolute, they have to be traded off against each other.

Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...

Germany participated how there?

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You’ve never been to Germany, have you?

Guess what, many jews self-reported themselves to the authorities just to follow the process and that led directly to their death. https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/source_view.php?SourceId=42... Of course, this is old times now, but here is the same, there is no benefit to register, and you increase your risk to die. Don't do it.

It is not like they had a choice. The article is about 1939, the events were well progressed then. Only very few were able to hide themselves and stay hidden for years.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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I remember people in Germany who had to go underground to evade the draft, even as recently as the early 2000s. Here's a story from 2002 about how the supreme court there upheld the legality of a military draft: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-apr-11-mn-37321... anyway, if you refused to be drafted and did not want to go to jail, you had to more-or-less stop using any government services, rent with roomm…

I had to go to the draft office in that time and behaved so badly that they didn't want to take me.

Also at that time only some people had to go to the draft, because they had not the capacity to take everyone. That made it likely easy for them to let go of suboptimal candidates.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Well, you see, if men stay alive, but women are killed, society collapses eventually as not enough new people are born. It sucks being a man in this scenario, but it is what it is.

Arguably, not enough people are being born as it stands. We're already in your collapse scenario.

I suspect one tool governments across the world will resort to when they get desperate about sub-replacement fertility is changing mandatory conscription from males to the childless. Quite strong incentive, not be sent to the meatgrinder.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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And "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person." Military service also serves the purpose to defend that right when the country is attacked. Rights aren't absolute, they have to be traded off against each other.

Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...

Germany was one of the least militarized countries after WWII. They were kind of scared of themselves.
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