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Post by lotsofpulp »

dryarzeg wrote: post #213
alephnerd wrote: post #121

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> Yes, but, well... why do they need to do that at all Because the ERP and EHR market is almost entirely dominated by SAP and Epic. Frankly, the Cerner bet was already a bad bet when they took it in the early 2020s as was NetSuite to a certain extent. No business has an obligation to hire you in perpetuity. Similarly, you have no obligation to remain at a company you don't like. > Although... >> All of this is happen…

> Edit: can't reply That's strange. You mean you can't see the "reply" button or there's something else? I just have seen this only once (no "reply" button"), and reloading after a couple of minutes helped. Not sure if it's your case though. > The "SaaSpocalypse" [0]. I'm very grateful that you have decided to spend your time explaining this. Seriously, I am. Thank you very much. I now understand that way better than…

HN rate limits replies for some or all users. Could be triggered automatically based on the controversiality of a post (I think) or some posters might get marked for it permanently by a moderator.

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Post by geodel »

iamjake648 wrote: post #257
jvanderbot wrote: post #194

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Oracle and Java are deeply embedded in US gov work. How deep? Let's just say a large number of classified developer jobs hire for Java. Ellison has been a huge proponent of a surveillance state, and that likely ingratiates him with certain three letter agencies. The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

Interesting, the _majority_ of developers I know write in JVM languages - mostly Kotlin for new stuff at this point. Typically I see folks using the Amazon Corretto java distribution.

It could mean you know very few developers.

> Typically I see folks using the Amazon Corretto java distribution.

It means nothing. ~90% of core development of JDK and JVM is done by Oracle employees and it is shared by all distributions by various vendors.

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Post by tombert »

mort96 wrote: post #338
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I worked for a drug discovery company doing Java [1] since we were using Kafka Streams very liberally, but everything was done with the OpenJDK Temurin distribution. It was drilled into our heads on the first day do not install anything from Oracle . I think they were afraid of some weird lawsuit unless they bought an expensive license. I totally get it, but it made me a bit sad because they were even weary of someth…

I'm sure GraalVM is nice enough technology but I don't understand why anyone would actively choose to use a JVM from Oracle if they can avoid it.

The Ahead of Time compilation is pretty nice for some stuff. Generally startup time is significantly improved, so if you're writing command line tools in particular it can be cool.

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Post by malfist »

jvanderbot wrote: post #194
kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

Oracle and Java are deeply embedded in US gov work. How deep? Let's just say a large number of classified developer jobs hire for Java. Ellison has been a huge proponent of a surveillance state, and that likely ingratiates him with certain three letter agencies. The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

Amazon is predominantly a java shop as is a lot of big enterprise

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Post by MattGaiser »

kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

Many organizations are extremely low capacity. I am aware of a company that has merely a few hundred gigabytes of data and is stuck on Oracle.

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Post by savant2 »

tmoertel wrote: post #234
dtdynasty wrote: post #142

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Isn't this normal? I thought that's how it typically works when an employee leaves a company with any method.

When laying people off, better companies will often accelerate vesting so that the departing employees get additional stock. For example, Google does this: We’ll also offer a severance package starting at 16 weeks salary plus two weeks for every additional year at Google, and accelerate at least 16 weeks of GSU vesting. https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/message-ceo/j...

Google did this in 2023, and this blog was a good PR move to make people think they are still doing this today.

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Post by progbits »

kstrauser wrote: post #362
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If you are buying GPUs today, they really are massively cheaper than other clouds.

Until you become addicted, and then plan for the price to spike.

If you are not yet in Oracle's clutches you have to be extremely naive or shortsighted to be using Oracle cloud. Obviously the low prices are because they have a shit product and shit reputation, and the moment they think they captured large enough audience they are going to hike them

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Post by jollymonATX »

uberduper wrote: post #334
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They have not pulled the pin on the ZFS grenade yet, but I expect at some point it happens.

There's no zfs grenade. It's CDDL, feel free to use it wherever you want. Oracle can't come after you for violating the gpl even if somehow using zfs on linux violates the gpl.

Everything I have read is that the cddl is not compatible with binary deployments of zfs on linux so actually wouldnt that mean yes they could press that if you bundled it with gpl? Actual lawyers have said yes it could which is what I am refering to, however I think the actual answer is that Oracle has created a latch by inaction on this subject for so long now.
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