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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by NetMageSCW »

yepguy wrote: post #404
samspot wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get by just fine in the US without a credit card too. At least if you have a debit card (which can pretend to be a credit card in most situations). We were actually unscored by the credit bureaus for several years when we didn't own a house.

You may be able to get by in the US without a credit card, but every purchase will literally cost you 2-5% more if you aren't making smart use of them.

These days in a lot of places it is the other way around- using a credit card costs a 3% surcharge over cash.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by xethos »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #433
DemiGuru wrote: post #313

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I was in almost the exact same boat as the author. As a long-time Apple power user, I reached my breaking point about a year ago and finally migrated my workflow to Linux. I’m still letting my iPhone age out, but I’ve already stripped it of all Apple cloud services. Instead, I’ve replaced every stock app with self-hosted alternatives running on my own beefy NAS. If you have the technical overhead to manage your own s…

What real world improvement has owning your data made to you besides increasing the friction for a lot of things?

Self-hosting UnifiedPush / ntfy drops FCM / Google Play Services as a requirement, extending the usable life of my phone pretty dramatically; the better battery life I get is just a bonus. Apps drop from RAM less-frequently.

The series I'm watching doesn't drop from Netflix. Nor do I juggle which services have seasons 1-3, and 5, and have to play the subscribe'n'cancel dance to watch the full series.

I never deal with radio-edits or censored curse words in music. When I pull up an album, it will be the proper album, not the smeared or changed swear words. This exact issue is what pushed me off Google Play Music.

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Post by olyjohn »

iSnow wrote: post #259
embedding-shape wrote: post #134

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Before the iPhone, what was their attempts at that? I remember using OSX a bunch before the iPhone was public, but never remember any of the ways they tried to lock it down, I might have been too young then.

Their previous lock-downs were on the hardware level, not offering ISA slots and stuff. The original Mac (then Mac+ and classic) had no expansion slots at all, and they started adding them only later.

ADB ports only finally went away when USB came out. But I do have to give Apple credit, because those fruity-colored iMacs with the hockey puck mouse, that had only USB ports... those are really what got USB to become fully adopted. PCs had USB ports for a while before those came out, but nobody made any peripherals, probably because Windows had really crappy support for it... Once those fruity iMacs were released, then came the flood of USB stuff.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by olyjohn »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #433
DemiGuru wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was in almost the exact same boat as the author. As a long-time Apple power user, I reached my breaking point about a year ago and finally migrated my workflow to Linux. I’m still letting my iPhone age out, but I’ve already stripped it of all Apple cloud services. Instead, I’ve replaced every stock app with self-hosted alternatives running on my own beefy NAS. If you have the technical overhead to manage your own s…

What real world improvement has owning your data made to you besides increasing the friction for a lot of things?

What real world improvement has been made by allowing your data to be mined?

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by gloosx »

teekert wrote: post #421

For the UK people among us: What happens if you just don't verify your age? Do you not get access to adult things? What if you use a VPN? Will civil disobedience lead to any punishment or just inconvenience? What it's like to live with these invasive laws?

I wanted to ask exactly same question: fellow UK citizens, do your iphones become bricks if you fail to verify your age or what?

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Post by StudyAnimal »

soapdog wrote: post #271
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

Author here. Thanks for engaging is such gentle way, this is rare these days. Let me address some of your comments and maybe you'll understand my position a bit better even if you don't agree. > 1.Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered inst…

If you can use a debit card to buy stuff online, then it’s probably a visa or Mastercard, which would qualify as a “credit card” for identity verification.

Before people in other countries started popularizing the term “debit card”, most of my visa and Mastercards were hooked up to take money direct from my bank account, but they were still called credit cards.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by karel-3d »

soapdog wrote: post #299
karel-3d wrote: post #185

I didn't know MNT existed https://shop.mntre.com/ The laptops seem... crazy enough. And what you get for your buck is even less than with normal PC manufacturers, let alone Apple. You get CPU that is slow for a phone. For 1300 USD. On the other hand I have a weird urge to buy one and use as a daily.

author here. Yeah, they make their laptops by hand in their lil shop in Berlin, low volumes makes things more expensive. I get it you can get a lot more performance per buck elsewhere, but I want to support a company that creates open hardware and open source software. Also it is the most repairable and upgraded laptop in the world atm.

unfortunately I don't have 1000 eur to just throw around at experiments that look cool. but... it looks cool.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by karel-3d »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #68

Any age verification should come with an OAUTH style government run API. The idea being you verify your ID with the government, and the service that required age verification gets back a true or false for does this user meet this age requirement. That way the amount of data shared is kept to a minimum. The UK, and Brazil who passed a similar law, 'cheated' by just forcing private companies to figure it out.

In EU we have EIDAS, at least in some countries. It works. But mostly just for actual citizens.

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Post by richrichardsson »

kristianp wrote: post #418
richrichardsson wrote: post #405

This new age verification is such bullshit, I don't even live in the UK any more yet have to be subject to that bullshit because Apple (and a bunch of other companies) can't comprehend the concept that people might want to change which country they live in. Can't use my expired provisional license to confirm my age. Can't use my Croatian ID to confirm my age. Can't use a credit card, because I never have had nor do I…

Don't you have the concept of debit cards in your country? In mine, if you have a savings account and an atm card, that card can be used in any context that a credit card can be used.

I tried using a debit card, it will not let me progress. The issue is a debit card can be issued to anyone, including those under 18. So that then becomes a useless age verification.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by bengale »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #434
bengale wrote: post #385

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They can do whatever they want on their devices that is permissible in whatever jurisdiction they're selling into, but they don't get to choose to follow our laws. If we want those changed we'll do it at the ballot box.

Since there is no law requiring what they are doing, what now?

I feel like comprehension is lacking here.

1. The original comment was about Apple using their power to influence UK law.

2. That is bad, don't do that Apple.

3. If they want to do other things not legislated against they are free to do so.

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