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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by pixl97 »

deaux wrote: post #416
nicoburns wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the only way this gets better for consumers is if customer response more often insisted further roll backs than just the last straw if a company crosses the line. I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Until we change that, the power will always be with these kind of companies. Perhaps governments could levy punative fines in such situat…

None of those. All we need is enforcing laws that are already on the books. Antitrust laws. Break up big tech.

Which requires voting in politicians that would do that. Of course we're much more likely to elect politicians that get the support of billionaires in general so this shit ain't never happ'ning

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by delecti »

throwa356262 wrote: post #46
ptero wrote: post #11

Microsoft lost its way much earlier than 4 years ago. It abused users at the time of Netscape wars and forcing Internet Explorer down people's throats. But they hit an infinite gold mine with government adoption and for the last 30 years no amount of bad engineering was able to shake off government use. Windows 11 is bad? Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams? The only way to force Microsoft into "users matter" engine…

Am I the only one who prefers Teams to the Slack and Zoom? The ability to write in the meeting chat before and after a meeting for example. That is some serious quality of life function that all others are lacking.

Teams if you only use it for meetings is great, truly. It's easy and simple. Messages in the attached chat rooms of recurring meetings is really convenient. DMs work seamlessly and sort in between those meeting chats.

The problem is that the "teams" in teams are a cobbled mess that works like a combination of forums posts and chat rooms. If you have coworkers who really like that functionality, you're forced to interact with the garbage underbelly of the app. My opinion of Teams shifted drastically when we got a new PM (former MS employee) who started putting things there, making them hard to keep track of.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by jacooper »

maxnoe wrote: post #16
jacooper wrote: post #6

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Macs are too expensive for the same performance/ram, and Linux still can't run proper creative software.

"Most companies still do not publish Linux builds for creative software" There, fixed it for you. It's not like Linux is the blocker here.

Doesn't matter, the end result is the same.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by thewebguyd »

Silhouette wrote: post #222
charcircuit wrote: post #162

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If people truly cared then there would be a high enough expected value to invest into building competitor to be financially worth it.

That argument doesn't really hold when the barriers of entry are so high. Believing that one of the biggest tech firms in the world is doing something undesirable and having a better idea that many people would in fact pay for is not the same as having the resources to become a unicorn with a huge global customer base that can practically implement that idea.

Plus, specifically for Microsoft, competing doesn't mean an alternative to Windows. It means an alternative to the entire enterprise stack, especially Office & M365.

Google hasn't enticed the big entrenched MS orgs to move over to Workspace, so if Google can't how can a smaller startup ever hope to accomplish that in the face of these behemoths that can just outlast them in a race to the bottom until they are insolvent or get bought by said behemoths?

Microsoft doesn't just sell an OS, or some services, they sell "IT in a box"

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by nicoburns »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #393
nicoburns wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the only way this gets better for consumers is if customer response more often insisted further roll backs than just the last straw if a company crosses the line. I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Until we change that, the power will always be with these kind of companies. Perhaps governments could levy punative fines in such situat…

> I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Consumers have the final say, our economic system fundamentally is consumer spending. (Ok, save for most recent year(s) of mag7 AI buildout. But generally that's the case for USA economy). We have to stop taking out our wallet and just accepting things like sheep. (nearly) Every one of the "scrapped" comput…

> Consumers have the final say, our economic system fundamentally is consumer spending.

Only if consumers have viable alternatives to choose from. If they don't then what are they supposed to do?

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by maerF0x0 »

nicoburns wrote: post #445
maerF0x0 wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Consumers have the final say, our economic system fundamentally is consumer spending. (Ok, save for most recent year(s) of mag7 AI buildout. But generally that's the case for USA economy). We have to stop taking out our wallet and just accepting things like sheep. (nearly) Every one of the "scrapped" comput…

> Consumers have the final say, our economic system fundamentally is consumer spending. Only if consumers have viable alternatives to choose from. If they don't then what are they supposed to do?

*nix is not a viable option? That's news to me.

I agree it's not as easy as pre-installed, but it definitely is viable.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by nicbou »

trynumber9 wrote: post #417

Unfortunately Apple is learning to be as annoying too. I don't want to upgrade to Tahoe which is inscrutable to me. Maybe remind me next year. But they pop up every week reminding me to "upgrade" even though most the problems are unfixed. They have pushed iCloud in the settings application as if it is an adboard. Hopefully they stop but I recognize these steps from Windows slippery slope.

I haven't upgraded, and the notifications are fairly rare and unintrusive.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by esafak »

dude250711 wrote: post #21
Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

I think managers were promoted for infecting their features with Copilot, and developers for infecting them with React, and here we are. OneDrive managers on the other hand are one step away from inventing some way of adding a gacha mechanic.

It is worth pointing out that it is the Recommended section in the menu that uses React Native. See also https://devblogs.microsoft.com/react-native/rnw-settings-win...

I ditched Windows long ago so I'm mentioning this only in the interest of accuracy.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Vegemeister »

Draiken wrote: post #85
baq wrote: post #22

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> It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. this is in general how the market for pretty much everything works (sometimes 'users' are replaced by 'the regulator', but it doesn't matter too much). lesson in there is 'majority of users don't care nearly as much as you think', usually.

I don't think "care" is the right word here at all. We simply don't have options. This is capitalism's biggest flaw: it's based on the assumption that there will be competition, but competition eventually leads to winners that then consolidate their positions and we end up with no real choices. You're telling me people would pick a worse OS because they don't care even if they had real options? I don't believe that f…

Stop trying to blame capitalism for your failure to jump out of the pot when they put ads in Windows 8.

We very much do have options. I haven't had Windows on a personal machine since 2011.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by pier25 »

trynumber9 wrote: post #417

Unfortunately Apple is learning to be as annoying too. I don't want to upgrade to Tahoe which is inscrutable to me. Maybe remind me next year. But they pop up every week reminding me to "upgrade" even though most the problems are unfixed. They have pushed iCloud in the settings application as if it is an adboard. Hopefully they stop but I recognize these steps from Windows slippery slope.

This sucks. Sometimes they even disguise the update to Tahoe notification as "Pending updates to install later tonight".
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