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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

watwut wrote: post #227
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

> Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Generally speaking, I trust EU countries criminal systems more then USA one. USA one is too procedure oriented - like for example with this rule. Unlike in USA, in general European cops and prosecutors can be punished when they do illegal stuff. That provides better protection then the pretend…

>Generally speaking, I trust EU countries criminal systems more then USA one. USA one is too procedure oriented - like for example with this rule.

Those procedures are written in blood

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by messe »

inferniac wrote: post #291
s_dev wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

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What part of this are you disputing?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by messe »

bigfudge wrote: post #435
thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #404

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> 552 people over the last 100 years What a disingenuous comment. Do we really think that is the case? You ignored my other link. Imagine the outrage EU would have had if US seized immigrants jewelry. Yet, Denmark gleefully does that. Funnily, I had friends from Europe participate in the No Kings protest here, while coming from countries that have literal kings.

> Funnily, I had friends from Europe participate in the No Kings protest here, while coming from countries that have literal kings. This is either disingenuous or misunderstands the nature of European constitutional monarchies.

Don't discount that it could be both. It's still early in some parts of the US, they might not have had their coffee yet.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by lostmsu »

kgwxd wrote: post #350
Besticle wrote: post #244

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If you're going through all that effort why not migrate to open-source/self-hosted?

Email? The rest of your life will be spent wondering if anyone got your message or if you've missed something important. Registrar, and search? Not possible. Maps? Paper would be more practical. Browser, done. Git, a lot of extra work for no gain.

I am a little optimistic about radicle for Git

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by sofixa »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #404
panda-giddiness wrote: post #372

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What a disingenuous comparison. The wiki article you've linked ("List of killings by law enforcement officers in Germany") sums to 552 people over the last 100 years. In contrast, the corresponding wiki article on the US ("Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States" [1]) estimates more than 900 deaths per year. Indeed, the number of slayings is so great that the article does not tabulate the s…

> 552 people over the last 100 years What a disingenuous comment. Do we really think that is the case? You ignored my other link. Imagine the outrage EU would have had if US seized immigrants jewelry. Yet, Denmark gleefully does that. Funnily, I had friends from Europe participate in the No Kings protest here, while coming from countries that have literal kings.

> Imagine the outrage EU would have had if US seized immigrants jewelry

The US literally deports people to concentration camps in countries with no civil liberties. Many have disappeared there. A whole other group have been raped and become pregnant and are being moved around to force births.

And you are concerned about fucking jewelry. Genuinely, are you taking a piss here?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by generic92034 »

_osud wrote: post #362
generic92034 wrote: post #340

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That delay is concerning, obviously. But how should we judge that, without any further insights? However, usually it works more like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puigdemont#Arrest_in_Ge... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puigdemont#Arrest_in_It... Usually LE in European countries will not respect warrants from another country if it does not make sense in the local jurisdiction as well.

Germany agreed to extradite Puigdemont, Spain did not want him. Perhaps because they wouldn't have been able to prosecute him for rebellion? Rebellion is not one of the EAW listed offenses, so it would require German approval. Same is not true for most crimes. Italy? I assume the prosecutor there told the Spanish there's no way the Rebellion will stick, and the Spanish told the Italians to just drop it. I assume they…

Sorry, but you should really read the links:

"On 5 April 2018, the Oberlandesgericht (Higher State Court) in the German state of Schleswig-Holstein ruled that Puigdemont would not be extradited on charges of rebellion, and released him on bail while deliberating about the extradition on charges of misuse of public funds."

So, exactly as I wrote: The rebellion charge did not make sense to the court, so no extradition due to that. On the other hand they found that they could do something with the charges of misusing public funds (and thus needed longer to decide about it). If Spain had not dropped the EAW, Puigdemont's legal team would have had an opportunity to challenge any decisions of the court.

In general it is no fun if another EU country issues an EAW against you, but anything making no sense will be thrown out by the local EU country's courts and you have every chance to go against the decisions of the court.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by frevib »

exceptione wrote: post #431
frevib wrote: post #364

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Proton has mail, calendar, drive, docs, sheets and more coming. Everything is done e2ee where possible. In case of mail, when the peer has no Proton, mail is indeed send plaintext. Mail is stored e2ee on server, so not even Proton can read it. Proton mail has also made PGP very easy to use. It’s Swiss based and a foundation, not a corporation. They’ve done this so they cannot easily be bought. It ticks most boxes in…

> Mail is stored e2ee on server Exclusively, or do they keep caches around? I am asking since everything is clear text in the webmail. I wonder if they handle the rare case of proton to proton (encrypted) mail differently from regular unencrypted mail. I assume they have to decrypt a master key stored on the server with your password, and then decrypt every encrypted email on the fly on the server, or they have to se…

You’re post is full of misconceptions and mistakes.

Mail is stored e2ee exculsively. The’ve been summoned to hand over mail many times, which they weren’t able to do. Quick search on Ecosia and find the articles.

They don’t have a master key or else the whole e2ee story is a fad, which it isn’t. The Proton code is in Github so you can check how it works yourself. Part of the password is used to decrypt the data.

Search is done client side. You have to download a big search index in order to have proper search. The iOS app doesn’t support downloading the index so search is limited there.

Please think and do some work before you reply.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by DrammBA »

Deeds67 wrote: post #390
darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

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What are you adding on top of immich?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by eviks »

pelzatessa wrote: post #337

> I’ve always been a happy Mullvad customer. For 5 euros a month, I pay a Swedish company that has proven it doesn’t log any data How did they prove that? Is such proof even possible?

The usual proof is whether law enforcement agencies can force the company to share such data

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

eino wrote: post #430
BrunoBernardino wrote: post #106

For search, I'd suggest Ecosia [1] or Qwant [2] if you don't mind ads, or Uruky [3] if you don't want them (full disclosure, I've created Uruky with my wife). [1]: https://ecosia.org [2]: https://qwant.com [3]: https://uruky.com

Thanks, uruky sounds quite promising, giving it a try

Thanks, please reach out with any suggestions or problems you find!
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