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Iran shooting back after being attacked validates the decision to attack them in the first place? "supposed to be allowed to have." Ridiculous premise. They armed themselves thusly because American politicians have been singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!" for generations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_Iran
Right. Under sanctions to prevent them from being a danger to everyone around them while they sponsor terror globally and go on TV talking about getting nuclear weapons to destroy Israel. Most of Europe is within striking distance of their current capabilities that they were not supposed to have. Treaties gave terms to limit the range of their missiles. Treaties were agreed to to prevent them from enriching uranium.…
Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?
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The entire reason the current Iranian regime exists is because the US overthrew their democracy to replace it with a monarchy that was friendly to their oil interests, which was then overthrown by a popular revolution. Maybe the US should stay the fuck out of Iran because it's not the US's fucking business, and it is most certainly not acting benevolently out of desire to help the people of Iran. > while hearing abso…
Totally agree with you. The US also created the Bin Laden problem. That genie isn’t going back in the bottle though so now we have to deal with the very real threat to the world that we certainly had a hand in creating. Glad to hear your opposition to all of the evil as well. The desire for vocal, social righteous indignation with most of this dialog does not follow your fervor though. People remain silent until it s…
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I was thinking you could run a fiber optic cable. Those have proven themselves to work over 10s of miles in Ukraine with drones.
That’s an interesting idea. I think the fiber optics for drones works because it is only used once over a short period of time. It seems like a cable connected to a mine could be easily disrupted by dragging an anchor with a small robot boat. And as another commenter noted, mines get moved by currents, so the cable could get tangled and snap.
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I was thinking you could run a fiber optic cable. Those have proven themselves to work over 10s of miles in Ukraine with drones.
That’s an interesting idea. I think the fiber optics for drones works because it is only used once over a short period of time. It seems like a cable connected to a mine could be easily disrupted by dragging an anchor with a small robot boat. And as another commenter noted, mines get moved by currents, so the cable could get tangled and snap.
You have to be mindful of enemy tampering, but overal I would say the idea's worth investigating.
On an unrelated note, I was also thinking of using fiber optic drones to rapidly set up an unjammable communications network on the battlefield. Surely that would be useful for something?
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>none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school. no shit... this is not proof of a mistake.
I don't think it was an intentional decision to target a school. If targetting schools was a goal, there would likely have been many more targetted. It certainly seems that there was an intentional decision to disband departments in the military last year that were intended to confirm targets are appropriate before a strike (although I can't find a reference now). There's also a lot of reporting that they used AI to…
On the Media recently interviewed somebody involved with that effort, and they discuss the bombing of the school.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/articles/hegseths-p...
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Why are you making this about Muslims generally?
You were already going there. > their goal is a caliphate with Sharia law.
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#447Ok, I did win. Do I get cheaper gasoline now?
That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.
Say the goal is to get rid of the regime by giving the protesters an opening to rebel. Then Trump blew the metaphorical load too early by encouraging the protesters on truth social. Tens of thousands of them being killed destroyed the momentum. Smarter people would have tried to arm them first, or discouraged the protests until we could hit them at the same time.
Say the goal is to "do the right thing." Then we shoudn't be tag-teaming with a country doing a genocide, clearly. We'd probably be hesitant to help them destroy their enemy or realize their interests in general. We've had endless opportunity to reign them in and done nothing about it. "Oh, but we need them to project force in the middle east for us." Well then why the fuck are we starting a war? Let's force that ally to reform before starting the war. There was no fucking rush man.
Say the goal is to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Well, Iran isn't (wasn't) run by stupid people. They knew we could likely set back their nuclear program before it completed and they knew the best-case-scenario in building nukes would be to get some leverage. They therefore opted to take a deal, using the threat of becoming armed to have some leverage. For us this is a great deal because we don't need to pay the costs of fighting Iran and we don't need to give them a better deal at nuke-point, and for them it's pretty solid because it's less risky. There's no evidence the terms were violated before WE ripped up the deal.
"Well however we got into this situation, we're here now and they could have nukes within seconds, I mean minutes, I mean hours, I mean days, I mean months, I mean years..." Maybe before creating an international energy crisis, just bomb the damn nuclear program again. Worst case scenario they get a nuke and what? The whole point of a nuke is leverage, when you use it you lose the leverage. We would be forced to cut another deal with better terms for Iran. Whatever dude, maybe that's not worth fighting another middle eastern war idk maybe I'm crazy.
I'm not a big war guy who just loves killing for the fun of it or whatever but even a war of aggression can be competent. I can admit when competence is exhibited and when something I otherwise dislike at least works out well. This shit is the most monumental blunder in decades. It wasn't planned, it has no goal, it will either end in a pointless withdrawal or (most likely) a Vietnam-esque quagmire. Every single problem was foreseeable and foreseen, that's why we didn't do this before. But some fucking moron pedophile gets blackmailed hard enough by a genocidal war criminal to say "what's one more, for old times sake?" and I'm supposed to want to shout hurrah and put my goddamn body and soul on the line for absolutely literally jack shit? Utterly ridiculous.
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Military action always has civilian casualties. All you can do is hope and make effort to reduce them. And I'm glad we're on the side that does that.
You are absolutely not on the side that does that. The US has killed millions of civilians over the past century in all of the wars it's partaken in and pardons its own war criminals, on the very rare occasion it bothers to try them in the first place. Fuck me American propaganda is in another world.
But America is the bad guy? No... Not even close. Do you see Americans cheering for the dead school children?
I'm watching Iran cheering for the dead children in countries around the world every day for 40 years.
You should be ashamed of yourself for even comparing.
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Triple tap seems to indicate definitely a mistake in targeting. Despite the war aims being nebulous, illegal, and ever changing, none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school.
"Despite the war aims being nebulous, illegal, and ever changing, none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school." If the goal is to force the enemy into giving up? Many are willing to give their life to a cause, but way less are willing to give the lifes of their children. This was not just some school, but a school where the children of the iranian leadership are going to. And coincidently Trump himself s…