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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by nozzlegear »

wongarsu wrote: post #277
nozzlegear wrote: post #224

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I don't think the article you linked disagrees with what I've quoted from the BBC, does it? Aircraft being present at the airbase isn't the same as aircraft launching for an attack from the airbase.

True on technicalities. If it isn't useful to the operation of the bombers in the region, why did it happen? And if it is useful that sounds like a UK base participating in the war

I'm no war strategist but I'd guess they did it to have them ready to strike Iran if needed. Diego Garcia has been used by UK/US joint operations in the Middle East since the Iraq War, it's not unusual to have American bombers stationed there when the US is on "high alert" or whatever.

To be clear, I'm not saying I support any of this Iran nonsense from Trump. I am very much against him meddling in the ME.

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Post by srean »

magic_hamster wrote: post #430
srean wrote: post #347

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Then don't go asking for a report in all of your comments on this page where you have, once is enough. Forensic Architecture is one of the most reputed organizations for this line of work. Their reports are read with great deal of respect here on HN and they cover more than this conflict. If they don't count as credible and competent, nothing will satisfy you -- the moral equivalent of covering one's eyes and ears. S…

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Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by breppp »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #398
breppp wrote: post #284

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I would see this war as the end of a string of wars initiated by Iran through Hamas in October 7. This left Israel similar to the USA post 9/11 or Peal Harbor. On a streak to make it never happen again in a very decisive/brutal way. Hegemony wasn't the moving factor for Israel, at least until very late in the war, and due to the same reasons

> the end of a string of wars initiated by Iran through Hamas in October 7 Locally, yes. Iran not condemning those attacks was a fuckup. More broadly, this is the Levant versus Persia, a power contest as old as civilization.

I am talking about direct IRGC planning and training for the attack

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-stri... https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained...

The attack plan of October 7 is generally so similar to the attack plan prepared for Hezbollah by the IRGC, that it is not surprising it is one and the same.

That's why Israel in this current conflict early on made moves on Iran and why the end game is this war.

> More broadly, this is the Levant versus Persia, a power contest as old as civilization.

Wasn't it more, Egypt and Greece vs Persia while the Levant was rapidly conquered?

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Post by shepherdjerred »

undersuit wrote: post #285
shepherdjerred wrote: post #192

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TBH I am a little more concerned about people dying from the conflict than paying a bit more for gas

What about the people who will die because they cannot afford the higher prices that will come from a disruption in gas supply?

You could've written that comment in a more constructive way.

As you probably already know, my point was that it's a bit callous to focus on "this war is expensive and inconvenient" while innocent people are, you know, dying.

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Post by nozzlegear »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #425
nozzlegear wrote: post #50

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Five decades doesn't seem to mean much when most of their leadership, military and air defenses can be laid prostrate by the US and Israel in a couple of days. I don't ever take Trump for his word, but neither do I think there's wisdom in believing that a technologically superior force couldn't easily wipe out Iran's ballistic-capable navy just because they've been preparing for a long time. Edit: am I wrong? Can cop…

You’re wrong in a few ways - - Iran has structured the functioning of its government and military to be highly resilient to decapitation. Every function has redundancy and every military unit can exercise autonomy. Their goal is to build a theocratic revolution around an ideology and not a personality, and intentionally built a system to survive a hostile environment. - You have to find what you want to destroy and q…

Thanks, I appreciate the reply. My contention was only about Iran's navy and their ability to field ships that can launch ballistic missiles. I believe the GP or GGP was implying that Iran still has "boats" with which they could extend the range of their ballistic missiles even further. That's what I think is a far cry from reality – the US and Israel surely know where those ships would be and would be more than capable of destroying them.

Regarding the substance of your comment: I'm not sure I agree about being resilient to decapitation, as the US and Israel have apparently become very skilled at locating the people they want to kill. But I agree with all the rest, especially regarding that bloviating ass, Hegseth.

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Post by mikeyouse »

lm28469 wrote: post #373
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #58

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I don't know but I can certainly blame them for oppressing and murdering their own citizens.

Everyone does, the problem is that every time the US came to deliver democracy to the Middle East they left the place in a much worse shape than it was... Also I don't believe for a second Trump or Israel give a single fuck about Iranian citizens

That’s the thing that annoys me the most about that post-hoc rationale - we’re supposed to pretend that Donald Trump cares at all about Muslim protesters on the other side of the world?

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Post by kelipso »

UltraSane wrote: post #432
cardanome wrote: post #416

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Mossad has literally admitted to that. Let me even quote an Israeli newspaper: > On December 29, what is dubbed the Mossad X/Twitter account in Farsi encouraged Iranians to protest against the Iranian regime, telling them that it is literally physically with them at the demonstrations. > “Go out together into the streets. The time has come,” the Mossad wrote. “We are with you,” it added. “Not only from a distance and…

Iranians don't NEED any external motivation to riot. The current Shia Theocracy that runs Iran is completely insane and incompetent and cruel.

These are just propaganda words. Could say the same thing about Israel, US, many countries.

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Post by amunozo »

UltraSane wrote: post #305
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

Iran is actively murdering protesters including a 19 year old. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

That's horrible, but has nothing to do with this.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

alephnerd wrote: post #426
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #384

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I hope this the HN moderator team is actively looking at this. Based on the live HN dataset on HuggingFace [0], it confirms that much of HN's recent traffic doesn't align with American hours. I've also been noticing some unused and underused accounts suddenly becoming active, showing hallmarks of an LOTL attack. Given HN's unique characteristics it is actually significantly at risk for such tactics. I've also been me…

HN won't even moderate when people's comments are flagged to death simply because they have the wrong opinion on Iran/Israel threads, showing the threads are just being used to push a one sided narrative not serve as a place for discussion.

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Post by kelipso »

surgical_fire wrote: post #363
leereeves wrote: post #359

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I really can't say how this is being received in or out of Iran, but I remember after the initial strikes there was widespread footage of Iranian exiles celebrating, even on anti-Trump media. Edit: and even people celebrating in Iran itself, which seems incredibly brave. "videos posted on social media showed joy and defiance elsewhere, with people cheering as a statue was toppled in the city of Dehloran in Ilam provi…

I bet that in Russia they also have media showing that people in Uraike are celebrating their liberation, etc. I am very skeptical of war propaganda. You would do well to be skeptical of it too.

Seriously. WWII propaganda from multiple countries being compared side by side need to be part of everyone’s high school curriculum.
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