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Post by kickopotomus »

japhyr wrote: post #328
IshKebab wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah you'd think so but somehow JFrog (makers of Artifactory) made half a billion dollars last year. I don't really understand that. Conda also makes an implausible amount of money.

From my understanding there are a lot of companies that need their own package repositories, for a variety of reasons. I listened to a couple podcasts where Charlie Marsh outlined their plans for pyx, and why they felt their entry into that market would be profitable. My guess is that OpenAI just dangled way more money in their faces than what they were likely to get from pyx. Having a private package index gives you…

Private artifact repositories also help to mitigate supply chain risk since you can host all of your screened packages and don't have to worry about something getting removed from mvn-central, PyPI, NPM, etc.

Plus the obvious need for a place to host proprietary internal libraries.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

wiseowise wrote: post #432
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where they need to prove that their offering is so good by reinventing all of software? They could start by inventing any software with their agents. They probably should prove their offering is good enough to do that considering they're hundreds of billions of dollars in debt, owing truckloads of money they currently have no hope of repaying to investors who are being promised a literal revolution.

Why would they diffuse their attention when competition is not sleeping?

Their attention apears to already be quite diffuse if buying a python package manager is an item anywhere on their agenda. Also, once again, if the tool did what it was promised -- it wouldn't even be a diffusion of attention. The entire schtick is that software engineers are being replaced and that you can just run a model to create the product for you. Unless, of course, the thing does not do what is promised.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by krick »

Fervicus wrote: post #386
krick wrote: post #302

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I think, it may be the first time I am actually upset by acquire announcement. I am usually like "well, it is what it is", but this time it just feels like betrayal.

> it just feels like betrayal It was a VC backed tool. What did you expect?

Nothing. I was very much aware of their prospects. Well, best-case scenario I could imagine them being acquired by Google or Microsoft, that would have looked like a prettier death, to be honest. Anyway, knowing that people eventually die doesn't mean you are immune to being sad when somebody dear actually dies. Especially when they die so young and full of potential.

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Post by matkoniecz »

sschueller wrote: post #385
japhyr wrote: post #105

This has me thinking about VS Code and VS Codium. I've used VS Code for a while now, but recently grew annoyed at the increasingly prevalent prompts to subscribe to various Microsoft AI tools. I know you can make them go away, but if you bounce between different systems, and particularly deal with installing VS Code on a regular basis, it becomes annoying. I started using VS Codium, and it feels like using VS Code be…

MS is actively making your life using VS Codium a pain. They removed the download button the extension marketrplace making it very difficult to download extensions and installing them in VS Codium since VS Codium does not have access to the official MS extension marketplace. Many don't publish outside the marketplace for example Platformio. [1] [1] https://github.com/platformio/platformio-vscode-ide/issues/1...

Luckily I avoided extensions before switching to VS Codium.

Glad to hear that I am avoiding Microsoft's spam.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by chis »

hijodelsol wrote: post #12

This is a serious risk for the open source ecosystem and particularly the scientific ecosystem that over the last years has adopted many of these technologies. Having their future depend on a cap-ex heavy company that is currently (based on reporting) spending approx. 2.5 dollars to make a dollar of revenue and must have hypergrowth in the next years or perish is less than ideal. This should discourage anybody doing…

My hope would be that this eventually pushes pip to adopt a similar feature-set and performance improvements. It's always a better story when the built-in tool is adequate instead of having to pick something. And yes UV is rust but it's pretty clear that Python could provide something within 2-5x the speed.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by giancarlostoro »

throwaway63467 wrote: post #194
NiloCK wrote: post #67

A concern: More and more plainly, OpenAI and Anthropic are making plays to own (and lease) the "means of production" in software. OK - I'm a pretty happy renter right now. As they gobble up previously open software stacks, how viable is it that these stacks remain open? It seems perfectly sensible to me that these providers and their users alike have an interest in further centralizing the dev lifecycle - eg, if Clau…

It’s a small tool shop building a tiny part of the Python ecosystem, let’s not overstate their importance. They burned through their VC money and needed an exit and CLI tool chains are hyped now for LLMs, but this mostly sounds like an acquihire to me. Dev tools are among the hardest things to monetize with very few real winners, so good for them to get a good exit.

> Dev tools are among the hardest things to monetize with very few real winners, so good for them to get a good exit.

I'm on the fence about cancelling my JetBrains subscription I've had for nearly 10 years now. I just don't use it much. Zed and Claude Code cover all my needs, the only thing I need is a serious DataGrip alternative, but I might just sit down with Claude and build one for myself.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by QuadrupleA »

wiseowise wrote: post #362
daredoes wrote: post #344

It would seem to me that purchasing a piece of software as an AI company is just an outright admission that they could not generate an equivalent piece of software for a better price? If it was cheaper to use their internal AI to create these tools, they would.

Extremely stupid argument. It doesn’t matter how good is your car if the driver is lacking.

Not sure I follow - is the car the coding agent, and the developer the driver?

Agree with OP here, if AI coding tools are as intelligent and amazing as AI influencers and CEOs are saying, just prompt them to "Remake UV but faster & better".

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Post by JoshPurtell »

morphology wrote: post #146
CuriouslyC wrote: post #128

The Bun acquisition made a little sense, Boris wanted Daddy Jarred to come clean up his mess, and Jarred is 100% able to deliver. This doesn't make as much sense. OpenAI has a better low level engineering team and they don't have a hot mess with traction like Anthropic did. This seems more about acquiring people with dev ergonomics vision to push product direction, which I don't see being a huge win.

They do have a hot mess with traction amongst developers. Codex is far behind Claude Code (in both the GUI and TUI forms), and OpenAI's chief of applications recently announced a pivot to focus more on "productivity" (i.e. software and enterprise verticals) because B2B yields a lot more revenue than B2C.

Codex is not far behind Claude Code

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by giancarlostoro »

FuckButtons wrote: post #418
rob wrote: post #248

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Just a tiny project with over 100 million downloads every month, over 4 million every day. No big deal. Just a small shop, don't overstate its importance. https://pypistats.org/packages/uv

Sure, but if tomorrow uv and ruff ceased to exist, we could all go back to any number of other solutions.

While I hope it never comes to that, all the code is MIT licensed, I would assume everyone would make the sensible decision for fork it.
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