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Re: Banned in California

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Post by tstrimple »

atestu wrote: post #346
parhamn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not from California but this to me seems like a great case to move to California. Why not ship your externality creating activities elsewhere? Its not like they pay more for the iPhone.

They do pay more for the iPhone, they have the highest state sales tax in the US.

This is easily demonstrated to be wrong. California isn't in the top 5 highest. The top 5 being:

1. Louisiana 10.11%

2. Tennessee 9.61%

3. Washington 9.51%

4. Arkansas 9.46%

5. Alabama 9.46%

Crazy how we never hear pithy drops about sales tax in Louisiana. I wonder why that is literally never a talking point in these discussions? Probably a very similarly motivated reason as to why people rant about murder in Chicago but never Memphis.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by carefulfungi »

bilbo0s wrote: post #423
kardianos wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Texas, which is still part of the USA, and we manufacture a great deal. I have a friend who works as an environmental engineer at a chem plant. They work hard to keep things safe and clean, and rigorously monitor their output. I'm sure we could do even more if we weren't competing in meany areas against legal jurisdictions which DON'T care about such things. We aren't "priced out". We are regulated out and…

This is what I don't understand? We do manufacture things. Just not in California. So why does it even matter if California bans manufacturing dangerous things? Who cares? Just manufacture it in some other state. As a bonus, you don't have to pay those high California taxes. In what world is this a problem?

California produces ~$350B in manufacturing GDP. It is the #1 state in manufacturing jobs in the US.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by amrocha »

lxgr wrote: post #416
jdross wrote: post #278

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I’m married to a Brit and she is constantly in awe of how much better our healthcare is here in the US. And she paid for private insurance there too. Quality of facilities, low wait times, quality of staff interactions, organization, etc. She even freaks out about how we have free parking at our doctors and hospitals here! We’re on corporate insurance.

US healthcare is excellent – if you can afford it.

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Re: Banned in California

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Post by josephcsible »

georgemcbay wrote: post #42
crawshaw wrote: post #34

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But you also want smart phones, electric cars, and a navy. There needs to be a path towards doing things other than foisting them on people who are out of sight.

> But you also want smart phones, electric cars, and a navy. I would like far less of all of these to exist than we currently produce (I use a 5 year old phone, an 11 year old car, and think the US Navy could function just fine with a lot less budget and warships).

> I use a 5 year old phone

I don't, because I care about security updates, and I don't want to have to choose between a highly degraded battery and giving up waterproofing.

> an 11 year old car

Crash safety has improved by leaps and bounds in recent years. I suspect you're more likely to be killed in a car accident that you wouldn't be in a new car, than to be killed by one of the industries that California bans.

> think the US Navy could function just fine with a lot less budget and warships

If a powerful adversary goes to war with us, then we'd want a lot more, and only increasing then would be too late, because we'd lose the war first.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by tzs »

> 1 West Coast shipyard that can build destroyers

There are only a handful of shipyards in the US that build ships for the Navy. What makes him think regulation has anything to do with only 1 being on the West Coast?

Re: Banned in California

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Post by amrocha »

chaostheory wrote: post #301
JaggerJo wrote: post #273

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One of the big reasons we have no universal healthcare is because we socialized defense for other countries like your country. You guys are years if not decades away from being able to defense yourselves.

Do you think that if europe had tripled its defence spending over the last century the US would have spent more or less?

Re: Banned in California

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Post by ggreer »

maeln wrote: post #253
sqnfxn wrote: post #193

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This is a non-argument, and it does not even in the slightest counter anything claimed on the site.

To be fair, it would be very hard to argue against this website since it stays very vague. For most things it says that they are “impossible” or “near-impossible” with no explanation or just "getting a permit is hard" with no futher detail. It does give some cherry-picked metrics : - 0 Semiconductor fabs built in CA in the last decade => as there been ANY semi fabs built outside of taiwan and china in the last decade…

Intel built a bunch of chip fabs in Oregon, Arizona, Israel, and Ireland over the past couple decades.[1] TSMC has built a new fab in Arizona.[2]

It's difficult to transport petroleum over the rocky mountains, and California requires its own blend of gasoline for use in vehicles, so there is significant demand for oil refineries in the state. Fuel imports have increased significantly due to refinery closures.[3] Some companies are trying to build pipelines to connect the west coast to refineries in Texas, but it's unclear when or if that will happen.[4]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_si...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC_Arizona

3. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=65704

4. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/california-refinery-...

Re: Banned in California

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Post by DoneWithAllThat »

mparkms wrote: post #48

The creator of the website is the CEO of a battery-powered induction cooktop company. ( https://x.com/sdamico ) He clearly has an agenda against what he perceives as onerous environmental regulations: https://x.com/sdamico/status/2026536815902208479 https://x.com/sdamico/status/2026552845294792994

Feel free to point out any inaccuracies.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by CharlesW »

bilbo0s wrote: post #423
kardianos wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Texas, which is still part of the USA, and we manufacture a great deal. I have a friend who works as an environmental engineer at a chem plant. They work hard to keep things safe and clean, and rigorously monitor their output. I'm sure we could do even more if we weren't competing in meany areas against legal jurisdictions which DON'T care about such things. We aren't "priced out". We are regulated out and…

This is what I don't understand? We do manufacture things. Just not in California. So why does it even matter if California bans manufacturing dangerous things? Who cares? Just manufacture it in some other state. As a bonus, you don't have to pay those high California taxes. In what world is this a problem?

> We do manufacture things. Just not in California.

Texas beats California in total value of manufacturing shipments only because because of its petroleum and coal products manufacturing. And California beats Texas in manufacturing employment.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by jeffbee »

mparkms wrote: post #48

The creator of the website is the CEO of a battery-powered induction cooktop company. ( https://x.com/sdamico ) He clearly has an agenda against what he perceives as onerous environmental regulations: https://x.com/sdamico/status/2026536815902208479 https://x.com/sdamico/status/2026552845294792994

Man, this guy has his head all the way up his anus. A guy who thinks that whether or not the math classes in San Francisco high schools are literally titled "algebra" is an important question, who doesn't realize that Noah Smith is a raging moron, and who considers Elon Musk to be the greatest industrialist in history, has been listening to a tad too much Garry Tan. No wonder he can't figure out how to market appliances. He's just disconnected from the real world.
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