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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by LadyCailin »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #396
pyuser583 wrote: post #382

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European countries aren’t known for strong privacy against the state. There are exceptions, but the EU’s “privacy rights” are almost exclusively against corporations. American privacy, by contrast, is almost exclusively focused on state surveillance. There are holes, the biggest being that foreigners on foreign soil have no privacy rights. Nor do the dead. But I’m not impressed with the “rights” Europeans have agains…

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This is just actual straight up bullshit. Either you’re starting this misinformation campaign, or yourself gullible enough to just be repeating it.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by Beretta_Vexee »

porknbeans00 wrote: post #113
Beretta_Vexee wrote: post #91

It is incredibly stupid and counterproductive to make this kind of statement publicly. Most of the GAFAM companies are doing their utmost to try to reassure their European customers with a facade of sovereignty. All these efforts will come to nothing. Amazon sovereign cloud https://aws.eu/fr/ Azure sovereign https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/sovereignty Oracle soverign https://www.oracle.com/fr/cloud/eu-sovereign-cloud…

it doesn't mean anything after Microsoft turned over eu government leaders emails to the US. the damage is done. trump fanning the flames and then using ham fisted threats that frankly carry no weight now... are just making it worse. the money's already been allocated. the results are inevitable.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't think these initiatives really protect Europeans. Anton Carniau, a Microsoft executive, testified before the French Parliament that ‘as a last resort, if we are forced to, we must transmit the data’, ‘You cannot guarantee that data entrusted to UGAP will never be transmitted to the US authorities without the explicit consent of the French authorities’.

I just wanted to say that cloud companies were doing a better job of ensuring the collection of European data than Trump's diplomacy.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by Beretta_Vexee »

jmclnx wrote: post #262
Beretta_Vexee wrote: post #103

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Half of the UN agencies are relocating all over the world. The financial and accounting departments are moving thousands of people to Madrid and Bonn. They will not be coming back soon.

I say this is 60/40 Trump. For years I have heard the UN Building in NYC is in real bad shape. I have not heard of any large repairs happening of this time.

It's true, the cost of living in NYC also plays a role. It has become very expensive for many countries to send staff there as expatriates.

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Post by inigyou »

surgical_fire wrote: post #125
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #65

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> don't think the memory of America as a bully will go away It won't. But going digitally sovereign will cost Europe tens of billions of euros. If there is a friendly race on the other side of the Atlantic, that will not mean the memories go away. But the urgency of the initiative is certainly sapped.

> But going digitally sovereign will cost Europe tens of billions of euros. That will be spent in Europe, improving the economy of member states. Certainly much better than just sending that money to the US.

I don't think governments care where money is spent, only how much. Growing the economy by spending more is not really a thing governments aim for.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by inigyou »

forinti wrote: post #4

How can you be so confrontational and still want people to give you business and data? I really don't envy the diplomats' job at the moment.

It's not about trust, it's about economic power. Like the US threatened to cut off trade with countries that didn't adopt DMCA anticircumvention law, so every country has US DMCA anticircumvention law. They can try something similar with digital sovereignty. It might not work, because everyone is less afraid of getting cut off now.

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Post by inigyou »

johnsimer wrote: post #129
Vasbarlog wrote: post #85

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> Europe...where they throw people in jail for social media posts? What do you think when they find out peoples' private convos? When did this happen?

Germany – Robert Habeck insult raids (2024–2025): Multiple citizens faced police raids, investigations, fines, or suspended sentences (jail risk if violated) for online posts calling Green politician Robert Habeck derogatory names like "idiot" or "moron," or sharing mocking memes, under Section 188 enhancing penalties for insulting politicians. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... Germany –…

So it only happens in Germany?

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by inigyou »

forgotaccount3 wrote: post #121
delecti wrote: post #67

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The EU is to blame for cookie banners on basically every website on the internet. I wish the US had something similar, and that there was more enforcement of disallowing "accept all" buttons without an equivalent "reject all" option. I also recognize that websites don't need the banner if they aren't trying to track me, but lets not pretend there aren't annoying consequences.

> I also recognize that websites don't need the banner if they aren't trying to track me And I recognize that there is a non-trivial cost to knowing if you need the banner or not, and people are likely to ask their web designer/dev "Hey, where's the cookie banner?" and then pay for the subsequent cost of implementing that because it's cheaper than expensive lawyers.

I don't think anyone in their life has asked for a cookie banner if they thought they didn't need one. It's not a positive thing.

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Post by inigyou »

Vasbarlog wrote: post #85
game_the0ry wrote: post #82

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> Europe...where they throw people in jail for social media posts? What do you think when they find out peoples' private convos? When did this happen?

Lucy Connolly was arrested in the UK for calling for terrorists to burn down a hotel full of migrants with the migrants inside, on Twitter.

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Post by inigyou »

kyboren wrote: post #190
soco wrote: post #158

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So you folks think just because it's internet we should be able to insult and call for racial action? Maybe you think in real life that should be acceptable too?

I support free speech through any media, including all noncommercial speech not including: - defamation (with extra lenience for speech about public figures) - evidence of child sex abuse - incitement to imminent lawless action likely to cause disorder Even those few exceptions are dangerous to liberty. Certainly anything else is too easily twisted into political censorship. For example, under the guise of fighting "…

Replace the words "LGBT", "gender", and "transgender" with "Jewish", "Christian" and "white" to see why that statement is hate speech.

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Post by inigyou »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #432
soco wrote: post #348

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Probably here lies the entire chasm between the US and Europe. In Europe insulting people on the street is not considered acceptable, also spreading neonazi propaganda and everything - ACLU or not (btw ACLU is also an US thing). So the US will jump at the idea of containing someone who publishes threats and insults, while the European will, well, try to contain them. I'm an European and call that respect for your co…

The issue is European will with a straight face say they have freedom of speech.

So will Americans, and North Koreans. What is freedom of speech? Is it the right to say absolutely anything, anywhere, any time, because you don't have that in America.
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