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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by edwinjm »

lpcvoid wrote: post #235
heraldgeezer wrote: post #198

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Okay... and what about Intune? (Device management) Entra? (User management and policy) Office 365 Exchange? Excel? (Finance runs on custom Excel macros and sheets) Teams? Office 365 in general, security, DLP, MFA?

>Intune Fleet >Entra? (User management and policy) LDAP >Office 365 Exchange? Dovecot, Postfix >Excel? (Finance runs on custom Excel macros and sheets) Libreoffice calc, R and Python were needed. And if that doesn't work, finance needs to work around the vendor lockin >Teams? Matrix, Jitsi, Bigbluebutton, Mattermost >Office 365 in general, security, DLP, MFA? Authentik, Keycloak for MFA/security, OpenZFS with Nextclo…

Big businesses and government want SLAs, courses for employee’s and a helpdesk they can call. Without that, it’s not even considered.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by max51 »

dh2022 wrote: post #374
max51 wrote: post #338

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For a power user, There is nothing even remotely comparable to Excel that exists today.

Not anymore. Today I tried to copy paste a string of 15 ascii characters into an Excel cell. Excel spun around for 20 seconds then blurted out an error that "the data is too big". I hit F2 (enter cell Edit Mode), pasted the 15 characters in the edit window and this was I was able to get the data in the cell. Excel has gone downhill massively.

Can you name a single product that is comparable?

If it doesn't have something equivalent to Pivot Tables, it's not even worth talking about.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by heraldgeezer »

lpcvoid wrote: post #235
heraldgeezer wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay... and what about Intune? (Device management) Entra? (User management and policy) Office 365 Exchange? Excel? (Finance runs on custom Excel macros and sheets) Teams? Office 365 in general, security, DLP, MFA?

>Intune Fleet >Entra? (User management and policy) LDAP >Office 365 Exchange? Dovecot, Postfix >Excel? (Finance runs on custom Excel macros and sheets) Libreoffice calc, R and Python were needed. And if that doesn't work, finance needs to work around the vendor lockin >Teams? Matrix, Jitsi, Bigbluebutton, Mattermost >Office 365 in general, security, DLP, MFA? Authentik, Keycloak for MFA/security, OpenZFS with Nextclo…

And anyone else running this stack in real life?

What are the SLA and support for this?

And can IT techs work it?

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by lpcvoid »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #443
lpcvoid wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Intune Fleet >Entra? (User management and policy) LDAP >Office 365 Exchange? Dovecot, Postfix >Excel? (Finance runs on custom Excel macros and sheets) Libreoffice calc, R and Python were needed. And if that doesn't work, finance needs to work around the vendor lockin >Teams? Matrix, Jitsi, Bigbluebutton, Mattermost >Office 365 in general, security, DLP, MFA? Authentik, Keycloak for MFA/security, OpenZFS with Nextclo…

And anyone else running this stack in real life? What are the SLA and support for this? And can IT techs work it?

It depends on how good your IT people are. But yes, it works quite well when done right.

>What are the SLA and support for this?

I don't know why I would need any sort of support when all these projects are open source, I can just debug stuff on my own.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by partiallypro »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #367
partiallypro wrote: post #321

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I don't know how to break this to you, but Europe itself has been the burning building for 20 years. I don't see that changing any time soon. The anti-US stuff is largely flailing, the US is better positioned than Europe for the next 20 years also. They struggle with investment, have almost no large companies left of any merit in tech, have political problems that are similar to the US's, and regulate themselves to d…

That's extremely condescending and naive. I'd say Europe citizen are in much better situation than the usa citizens, don't care about tech sector or shareholder revenue. Usa still don't even have universal social security and medications are overpriced 10 time more. Just to name a few. Then there is the American debt. Good luck with that when countries are switching from dollar to yen and euro. No really, I think tha…

I don't see how it's condescending or naive (at least anymore than the relative anti-US stuff you I was responding to,) name a large company or big innovation Europe has produced in the past 20 years? The whole continent is basically flat on growth for the past decade. It's literally in the numbers. Europe has been in denial, not the US. It has been very much left behind by China and the US. The US controls its own monetary system, European countries do not, that makes the debt issues a bit exaggerated. Not to mention China's has tremendous debt itself.

Also we do have universal social security, and while many medications are expensive at least they are available. Try getting a weeks worth of ibuprofen in Germany, it requires a doctor's appointment. I love Europe and have lived there, but talk to virtually any business person in Europe and they both envy the US and China, not themselves. If you can't see that painfully obvious reality, I don't know what to say, honestly.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by partiallypro »

trinsic2 wrote: post #418
partiallypro wrote: post #321

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I don't know how to break this to you, but Europe itself has been the burning building for 20 years. I don't see that changing any time soon. The anti-US stuff is largely flailing, the US is better positioned than Europe for the next 20 years also. They struggle with investment, have almost no large companies left of any merit in tech, have political problems that are similar to the US's, and regulate themselves to d…

Wow there is some serious rep management going on here. Trump Adminstration getting scared their empire collapsing?

Nothing to do with Trump.

https://econofact.org/factbrief/fact-check-has-the-economic-...

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2023/09/04/the-gdp...

https://www.euronews.com/business/2025/01/03/the-poorest-us-...

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by jbm »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #440
jbm wrote: post #383

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> The EU is destroying itself both economically and *culturally* I understand the former. Can you clarify the details around the later? I hear this often, but the people I hear it from are not the most trustworthy or the most knowledgable.

I don't understand the former. Europe is not in decline.

I mean I understand the argument that Europe is in decline economically (the argument is that the price of energy goes up therefore industrial production goes down). I don't understand anyone claiming European "culture" is in decline, unless you are comparing it to some pre-world war 1 era of world-wide dominance.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

jbm wrote: post #447
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #440

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I don't understand the former. Europe is not in decline.

I mean I understand the argument that Europe is in decline economically (the argument is that the price of energy goes up therefore industrial production goes down). I don't understand anyone claiming European "culture" is in decline, unless you are comparing it to some pre-world war 1 era of world-wide dominance.

>I mean I understand the argument that Europe is in decline economically

It isn't though. GDP is growing in most of Europe. Slowly but it is growing.

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