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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Can't we rename "Claws" -> "Personal assistants"? OpenClaw is a stupid name. Even "OpenSlave" would be a better fit.

I think claws is a great name. They let the AI go grab things. They snap away and get stuff done. Claws are powerful and everything that has claws is cool. Some of this may be slightly satirical. (But I still think “claws” works better than “personal assistant” which anthropomorphises the technology too much.)

You mean "grab things in the digital world?" Like virtual things?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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My favorite use so far has been giving it a copy of my Calibre library. After having it write a few scripts and a skill, I can ask it questions about any book I’m reading. This week I had it order a series internally chronological. I could use the search on my Kindle or open Calibre myself, but a Signal message is much faster when it’s already got the SQLite file right there.

I am sorry to sound dumb but can’t cursor ai do this same thing? They have .md files with skills and knowledge

from your phone?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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I do most of my programming from my phone now. I love it. I get to spend more time out in the world and not chained to my laptop. I can work in the garden with the chickens, or take the dog on a walk, or use public transport time productively while going to fun places. It's actually the writing of content for my blog that chains me to the laptop, because I won't let AI write for me. I do get a lot of drafts and the o…

Going from ten finger typing to thumb only or voice has never panned out for me. Any tips?

I always want to know what the hell it is these people claim to be working on lmao.

But seems like this guy is the real deal based on his post history

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Has anyone find a useful way to to something with Claws without massive security risk? As a n8n user, i still don't understand the business value it adds beyond being exciting... Any resources or blog post to share on that?

once the models get smart enough, you wont need n8n, they will just do the workflow without it needing to be specified. this is coming pretty soon

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Why do we always have to come up with the stupidest names for things. Claw was a play on Claude, is all. Granted, I don’t have a better one at hand, but that it has to be Claw of all things…

I've been hoping one of them will be called Clod

I appreciate the sentiment, but think a homophone would be too confusing.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Don't give it write permissions? You could easily make human approval workflows for this stuff, where humans need to take any interesting action at the recommendation of the bot.

The mere act of browsing the web is "write permissions". If I visit example.com/ , I've now written my password into the web server logs of that site. So the only remaining question is whether I can be tricked/coerced into doing so. I do tend to think this risk is somewhat mitigated if you have a whitelist of allowed domains that the claw can make HTTP requests to. But I haven't seen many people doing this.

The thought that occurs to me is, the action here that actually needs gating is maybe not the web browsing: it's accessing credentials. That should be relatively easy to gate off behind human approval!

I'd also point out this a place where 2FA/MFA might be super helpful. Your phone or whatever is already going to alert you. There's a little bit of a challenge in being confident your bot isn't being tricked, in ascertaining even if the bot tells you that it really is safe to approve. But it's still a deliberation layer to go through. Our valuable things do often have these additional layers of defense to go through that would require somewhat more advanced systems to bot through, that I don't think are common at all.

Overall I think the will here to reject & deny, the fear uncertainty and doubt is both valid and true, but that people are trying way way way too hard, and it saddens me to see such a strong manifestation of fear. I realize the techies know enough to be horrified strongly by it all, but also, I really want us to be an excited forward looking group, that is interested in tackling challenges, rather than being interested only in critiques & teardowns. This feels like an incredible adventure & I wish to en Courage everyone.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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One safety pattern I’m baking into CLI tools meant for agents: anytime an agent could do something very bad, like email blast too many people, CLI tools now require a one-time password

The tool tells the agent to ask the user for it, and the agent cannot proceed without it. The instructions from the tool show an all caps message explaining the risk and telling the agent that they must prompt the user for the OTP

I haven't used any of the *Claws yet, but this seems like an essential poor man's human-in-the-loop implementation that may help prevent some pain

I prefer to make my own agent CLIs for everything for reasons like this and many others to fully control aspects of what the tool may do and to make them more useful

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