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Post by romanows »

chermanowicz wrote: post #214
wiseowise wrote: post #158

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Their models might be impressive, but their products absolutely suck donkey balls. I’ve given Gemini web/cli two months and ran away back to ChatGPT. Seriously, it would just COMPLETELY forget context mid dialog. When asked about improving air quality it just gave me a list of (mediocre) air purifiers without asking for any context whatsoever, and I can list thousands of conversations like that. Shopping or comparing…

It's so capable at some things, and others are garbage. I uploaded a photo of some words for a spelling bee and asked it to quiz my kid on the words. The first word it asked, wasn't on the list. After multiple attempts to get it to start asking only the words in the uploaded pic, it did, and then would get the spellings wrong in the Q&A. I gave up.

I had it process a photo of my D&D character sheet and help me debug it as I'm a n00b at the game. Also did a decent, although not perfect, job of adding up a handwritten bowling score sheet.

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Post by Razengan »

uxhoiuewfhhiu wrote: post #252
Razengan wrote: post #103

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Gemini's UX (and of course privacy cred as with anything Google) is the worst of all the AI apps. In the eyes of the Common Man, it's UI that will win out, and ChatGPT's is still the best.

Gemini is completely unusable in VS Code. It's rated 2/5 stars, pathetic: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Google.g... Requests regularly time out, the whole window freezes, it gets stuck in schizophrenic loops, edits cannot be reverted and more. It doesn't even come close to Claude or ChatGPT.

Smart idea to say anything against Google here from a throwaway account, I'm sitting in negative karma for that :')

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Post by dmbche »

sigmar wrote: post #396
dmbche wrote: post #382

So what happens if the AI companies can't make money? I see more and more advances and breakthrough but they are taking in debt and no revenue in sight. I seem to understand debt is very bad here since they could just sell more shares, but aren't (either valuation is stretched or no buyers). Just a recession? Something else? Aren't they very very big to fall? Edit0: Revenue isn't the right word, profit is more correc…

>taking in debt and no revenue in sight. which companies don't have revenue? anthropic is at a run rate of 14 billion (up from 9B in December, which was up from 4B in July). Did you mean profit? They expect to be cash flow positive in 2028.

Yes thank you, mixing my brushes here - I remembered one of the companies having raised over 100b and having about 10b in revenue.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Post by glenstein »

estearum wrote: post #219
mapontosevenths wrote: post #204

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> His definition of reaching AGI, as I understand it, is when it becomes impossible to construct the next version of ARC-AGI because we can no longer find tasks that are feasible for normal humans but unsolved by AI. That is the best definition I've yet to read. If something claims to be conscious and we can't prove it's not, we have no choice but to believe it. Thats said, I'm reminded of the impossible voting tests…

> If something claims to be conscious and we can't prove it's not, we have no choice but to believe it. This is not a good test. A dog won't claim to be conscious but clearly is, despite you not being able to prove one way or the other. GPT-3 will claim to be conscious and (probably) isn't, despite you not being able to prove one way or the other.

Agreed, it's a truly wild take. While I fully support the humility of not knowing, at a minimum I think we can say determinations of consciousness have some relation to specific structure and function that drive the outputs, and the actual process of deliberating on whether there's consciousness would be a discussion that's very deep in the weeds about architecture and processes.

What's fascinating is that evolution has seen fit to evolve consciousness independently on more than one occasion from different branches of life. The common ancestor of humans and octopi was, if conscious, not so in the rich way that octopi and humans later became. And not everything the brain does in terms of information processing gets kicked upstairs into consciousness. Which is fascinating because it suggests that actually being conscious is a distinctly valuable form of information parsing and problem solving for certain types of problems that's not necessarily cheaper to do with the lights out. But everything about it is about the specific structural characterizations and functions and not just whether it's output convincingly mimics subjectivity.

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Post by websap »

dubeye wrote: post #343
rob-wagner wrote: post #297

I’ve been using Gemini 3 Pro on a historical document archiving project for an old club. One of the guys had been working on scanning old handwritten minutes books written in German that were challenging to read (1885 through 1974). Anyways, I was getting decent results on a first pass with 50 page chunks but ended up doing 1 page at a time (accuracy probably 95%). For each page, I submit the page for a transcription…

It sounds like a job where one pass might also be a viable option. Until you do the manual review you won't have a full sense of the time savings involved.

They could likely increase their budget slightly and run an LLM-based judge.

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Post by rjcrystal »

rob-wagner wrote: post #388
dubeye wrote: post #343

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It sounds like a job where one pass might also be a viable option. Until you do the manual review you won't have a full sense of the time savings involved.

Good idea. I’ll try modifying the prompt to transcribe, identify the language, and translate if not English, and then return a structured result. In my spot checks, most of the errors are in people’s names and if the handwriting trails into margins (especially into the fold of the binding). Even with the data still needing review, the translations from it has revealed a lot of interesting characters as well as this l…

One discovery I've made with gemini is that ocr accuracy is much higher when document is perfectly aligned at 0 degree. When we provided images with handwritten text to gemini which were horizontal (90 or 180 degree) it had lots of issues reading dates, names etc. Then we used paddle ocr image orientation model to find orientation and rotate the image it solved most of our issues with ocr.

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Post by chermi »

HardCodedBias wrote: post #172
wiseowise wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their models might be impressive, but their products absolutely suck donkey balls. I’ve given Gemini web/cli two months and ran away back to ChatGPT. Seriously, it would just COMPLETELY forget context mid dialog. When asked about improving air quality it just gave me a list of (mediocre) air purifiers without asking for any context whatsoever, and I can list thousands of conversations like that. Shopping or comparing…

Their models are absolutely not impressive. Not a single person is using it for coding (outside of Google itself). Maybe some people on a very generous free plan. Their model is a fine mid 2025 model, backed by enormous compute resources and an army of GDM engineers to help the “researchers” keep the model on task as it traverses the “tree of thoughts”. But that isn’t “the model” that’s an old model backed by massive…

Uhh, just false.

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Post by xnx »

uxhoiuewfhhiu wrote: post #252
Razengan wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini's UX (and of course privacy cred as with anything Google) is the worst of all the AI apps. In the eyes of the Common Man, it's UI that will win out, and ChatGPT's is still the best.

Gemini is completely unusable in VS Code. It's rated 2/5 stars, pathetic: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Google.g... Requests regularly time out, the whole window freezes, it gets stuck in schizophrenic loops, edits cannot be reverted and more. It doesn't even come close to Claude or ChatGPT.

Once Google launched Antigravity, I stopped using VS Code.

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Post by oofbey »

xnx wrote: post #151
Razengan wrote: post #103

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Gemini's UX (and of course privacy cred as with anything Google) is the worst of all the AI apps. In the eyes of the Common Man, it's UI that will win out, and ChatGPT's is still the best.

Google privacy cred is ... excellent? The worst data breach I know of them having was a flaw that allowed access to names and emails of 500k users.

Their SECURITY cred is fantastic.

Privacy, not so much. How many hundreds of millions have they been fined for “incognito mode” in chrome being a blatant lie?

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