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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by selcuka »

Tossrock wrote: post #379
input_sh wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some ? I'd be shocked if it's less than 70% of everything AI-related in here. For example a lot of pro-OpenAI astroturfing really wanted you to know that 5.3 scored better than opus on terminal-bench 2.0 this week, and a lot of Anthropic astroturfing likes to claim that all your issues with it will simply go away as soon as you switch to a $200/month plan (like you can't try Opus in the cheaper one and realise it's d…

You can try opus in the cheaper one if you enable extra usage, though.

And they are currently giving away $50 worth of extra usage if you subscribed to Pro before Feb 4.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by xhrpost »

aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

> To be fair, I was able to get it to work pretty well after giving it extremely detailed instructions and monitoring the "thinking" output and stopping it when I see something wrong there to correct it, but at that point I felt silly for spending all that effort just driving the bot instead of doing it myself.

This is the challenge I also face, it's not always obvious when a change I want will be properly understood by the LLM. Sometimes it one shots it, then others I go back and forth until I could have just done it myself. If we have to get super detailed in our descriptions, at what point are we just writing in some ad-hoc "programming language" that then transpiles to the actual program?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by zephen »

torben-friis wrote: post #306
RealityVoid wrote: post #302

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You're not going crazy. That is what I see as well. But, I do think there is value in: - driving the LLM instead of doing it yourself. - sometimes I just can't get the activation energy and the LLM is always ready to go so it gives me a kickstart - doing things you normally don't know. I learned a lot of command like tools and trucks by seeing what Claude does. Doing short scripts for stuff is super useful. Of course…

>driving the LLM instead of doing it yourself. - sometimes I just can't get the activation energy and the LLM is always ready to go so it gives me a kickstart There is a counter issue though, realizing mid session that the model won’t be able to deliver that last 10%, and now you have to either grok a dump of half finished code or start from scratch.

I wonder about this.

If (and it's a big if) the LLM gives you something that kinda, sorta, works, it may be an easier task to keep that working, and make it work better, while you refactor it, than it would have been to write it from scratch.

That is going to depend a lot on the skillset and motivation of the programmer, as well as the quality of the initial code dump, but...

There's a lot to be said for working code. After all, how many prototypes get shipped?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

elevatortrim wrote: post #288
willio58 wrote: post #219

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For me, getting into management was less about feeling bogged down in the specifics, but more about control (directed mostly above). Anyone who’s had a bad manager or bad decisions they need to adhere to might be familiar with the feeling that caused me to dip my toes into management. Like I’ve been in situations as an IC where poor leadership from above has literally caused less efficient and more painful day-to-day…

Asking as a fellow manager - do you ever wonder some of the people you manage might be thinking of you in the same way? Someone making terrible decisions, making them less efficient? And, have you ever noticed that something you strongly pushed back when you were an IC did not matter, or was actually the right thing in retrospect?

I used to be so deeply annoyed with leadership decisions as an IC. When I got into management my attitude completely shifted. Leadership only cares about shipping code. Thinking they care about anything else and you're fooling yourself. So whatever your team cares about your decisions doesn't matter. Are they shipping code? All good. Team dynamics will work itself out as long as you're pushing to main.

Now I'm back to being an IC and I just do the job. Want me to change this variable name so its more readable, in your opinion? No problem. I shall change const foo to const bar.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

coffeefirst wrote: post #211
i-blis wrote: post #165

I have always failed to understand the obsessive dream of many engineers to become managers. It seems not to have to do merely with an increase in revenue. Is it really to escape from "getting bogged down in the specifics" and being able to "focus on the higher-level, abstract work", to quote OP's words? I thought naively that engineering always has been about dealing with the specifics and the joy of problem solving…

I actually don’t think the author wants to become a real manager, he wants to play a video game where he sends NPCs around to do stuff. Real managers deal with coaching, ownership, feelings, politics, communication, consensus building, etc. The people who are good at it like setting other people up to win.

Do you have a different take on winning then me?

In engineering the only teams that win are the teams that ship code. Dealing with coaching, ownership, feelings, politics, etc, should all arrive at the same outcome: ship code.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by ChatEngineer »

tunesmith wrote: post #391
aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

I tend to be surprised in the variance of reported experiences with agentic flows like Claude Code and Codex CLI. It's possible some of it is due to codebase size or tech stack, but I really think there might be more of a human learning curve going on here than a lot of people want to admit. I think I am firmly in the average of people who are getting decent use out of these tools. I'm not writing specialized tools t…

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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by Yhippa »

coldtea wrote: post #173
spoaceman7777 wrote: post #164

This was incredibly vague and a waste of time. What type of code? What types of tools? What sort of configuration? What messaging app? What projects? It answers none of these questions.

It's AI slop itself. It seems inevitable that any AI enthusiast ends up having AI write their advocacy too. I just give the link to those posts to my AI to read it, if it's not worth a human writing it, it's not worth a human reading it.

It makes me sad that there are so many of these heavily-upvoted posts now that are hand-wavey about AI and is itself AI-generated. It benefits everyone involved except people like me who are trying to cut through the noise.

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Post by IhateAI_3 »

chasd00 wrote: post #387
christophilus wrote: post #347

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Same. This weekend, I built a Flutter app and a Wails app just to compare the two. Would have never done either on my own due to the up front boilerplate— and not knowing (nor really wishing to know) Dart.

I did the same thing but with react and supabase. I wouldn’t have done this on my own because of the react drudgery.

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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by viking123 »

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #301
aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

There's got to be some quantity of astroturfing going on, given the players and the dollar amounts at stake.

Anthropic has the best marketing for sure, Dario has even eclipsed Scam Altman in ridiculous "predictions"

Also all this stuff about Claude having feelings directed at midwits is hilarious

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