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The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by viscousviolin »

yboris wrote: post #383
whatever1 wrote: post #150

Power corrupts, end of story. Democracy (limited terms), taxation and anti-monopoly regulation are examples that show a path to cure the disease. Nobody should be trusted with too much power for too long.

Sortition may be what you're looking for: "sortition is the selection of public officials or jurors at random, i.e. by lottery, in order to obtain a representative sample". No one can amass power because it's short term and random. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

I heard about lottocracy/sortition for the first time not long ago and I quite like the idea. The last time was when I heard a professor talk about it, and I was recommended reading the book "Lottocracy: Democracy Without Elections" by Guerrero [0].

[0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/217981747-lottocracy

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by idiotsecant »

viscousviolin wrote: post #441
yboris wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sortition may be what you're looking for: "sortition is the selection of public officials or jurors at random, i.e. by lottery, in order to obtain a representative sample". No one can amass power because it's short term and random. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

I heard about lottocracy/sortition for the first time not long ago and I quite like the idea. The last time was when I heard a professor talk about it, and I was recommended reading the book "Lottocracy: Democracy Without Elections" by Guerrero [0]. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/217981747-lottocracy

Before you get too excited about this just imagine the average line of people at the DMV or the Grocery store and now imagine that those people are in charge of the lives of hundreds of millions. If you think HOAs are bad, you aint seen nothing yet.

The current system of oligarch patronage is bad, but at least it keeps the train mostly on the rails.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by vee-kay »

myrmidon wrote: post #437
vee-kay wrote: post #420

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Your primary point is "the study harmed participants, and Gates is responsible" But your own report contradicts this, and finds the deaths unrelated. You also argue that Gates is suspect, because HPV vaccine trials were only done in India. This is also false, I sourced that already in the previous response, you did not comment on it. You keep coming back to the same Indian Parliamentary committee report, which explic…

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Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by roryirvine »

5o1ecist wrote: post #436
palata wrote: post #278

> If only Bill Gates and Larry Summers had had my mom to go to for advice, they could’ve saved themselves a lot of grief. Well it looks like Bill Gates had his wife for advice, and apparently his not following it played a part in ending his marriage.

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If that happened, it would be classed as assault in the UK - is it the same in America? And, if so, is Gates likely to be investigated by the police?

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by [deleted] »

idiotsecant wrote: post #443
viscousviolin wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard about lottocracy/sortition for the first time not long ago and I quite like the idea. The last time was when I heard a professor talk about it, and I was recommended reading the book "Lottocracy: Democracy Without Elections" by Guerrero [0]. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/217981747-lottocracy

Before you get too excited about this just imagine the average line of people at the DMV or the Grocery store and now imagine that those people are in charge of the lives of hundreds of millions. If you think HOAs are bad, you aint seen nothing yet. The current system of oligarch patronage is bad, but at least it keeps the train mostly on the rails.

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Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by jMyles »

roryirvine wrote: post #445
5o1ecist wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If that happened, it would be classed as assault in the UK - is it the same in America? And, if so, is Gates likely to be investigated by the police?

With a bunch of specific exceptions, violence is handled by the states, so it depends on the state in which it occurred. My best guess is that it's some kind of criminal offense in all 50.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by actionfromafar »

vee-kay wrote: post #429
ogogmad wrote: post #330

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Lack of informed consent is a serious possible issue here. Lack of accountability might be another one. Being cheaper, by contrast, shouldn't be seen as bad. But all of this needs to be proven.

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I wonder what the other 11 000 NGOs did to get banned by Modi.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by viscousviolin »

idiotsecant wrote: post #443
viscousviolin wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard about lottocracy/sortition for the first time not long ago and I quite like the idea. The last time was when I heard a professor talk about it, and I was recommended reading the book "Lottocracy: Democracy Without Elections" by Guerrero [0]. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/217981747-lottocracy

Before you get too excited about this just imagine the average line of people at the DMV or the Grocery store and now imagine that those people are in charge of the lives of hundreds of millions. If you think HOAs are bad, you aint seen nothing yet. The current system of oligarch patronage is bad, but at least it keeps the train mostly on the rails.

It's a potentially big problem for sure. It reminds me of stories I've heard about the public education system in some of the Scandinavian countries. From what I remember off the top of my head, Finland has a system where private educational facilities do not exist. Meaning that, if rich or otherwise elite people want their kids to receive a good education, they need to support the public education facilities their own kid attends. I quite like this idea that everyone is nudged towards helping everyone else, even if they mostly care about their own family and friends.

Similarly in a lottocracy you'd want everyone to be a capable leader when their name is picked from the hat. As the professor I listened to put it, lottocracy makes you think what a democracy really values. Is it about everyone's voice being heard, or is there another goal we should care about more? Not an easy question to answer.

Re: The time I didn't meet Jeffrey Epstein

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Post by lykahb »

yboris wrote: post #383
whatever1 wrote: post #150

Power corrupts, end of story. Democracy (limited terms), taxation and anti-monopoly regulation are examples that show a path to cure the disease. Nobody should be trusted with too much power for too long.

Sortition may be what you're looking for: "sortition is the selection of public officials or jurors at random, i.e. by lottery, in order to obtain a representative sample". No one can amass power because it's short term and random. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

Before applying sortition to the civil service, it'd be wise to observe how it works on a smaller scale. Some corporations may attempt it. Though it's more radical than the flat structure or other organization alternatives.
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