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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by luqtas »

dns_snek wrote: post #335
nout wrote: post #188

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My (user) solution would be to use Patreon on the web, or on Android. No one is forcing you to use specifically the native Apple app. On top of that Patreon is a closed centralized platform that's bound to have issues like this and that's where I very much prefer using protocols (vs platforms) that enable the same. There are very similar solutions to Patreon, but based on nostr and related protocols. What is your sol…

> My point is that you ask for regulation hoping that it will prevent this type of issue, but the regulation that you actually get will be barely having any effect and it will enforce ID + picture verification, it will enforce downloading specific government sanctioned keylogger app, This is nonsense. Yes bad regulation is bad regulation, that's not an argument against regulation but an argument against bad regulatio…

> I enjoy not drinking feces for example but I'd love to hear your thoughts on how regulation against poopy drinking water is going to be turned against me.

you can't interfere or comment effectively on the policies or processes of your water treatment plant. on the Patreon case the user can simply stop using Apple hardware or move to the web

throwing every problem down to the goverment feels like: i believe in animal rights so instead of going vegan i'll protest to the goverment make it illegal to kill sentient animals for products.

i know we can do both but OP's anarchy solutions feels much more reasonable than expecting the goverment solve stuff. creating a culture that uses de-centralized approaches is times better than sticking to a centralized platform, regulated or not

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by westpfelia »

fnoef wrote: post #273

I don't get it. Apple is the top 3 most valuable companies in the WORLD. THE WORLD. They act like a greedy friend that would ask you to pay back $1.54 for a meal of $1500, because you ordered a side of fries which they did not eat. Aren't they making the majority of their money from selling hardware and iCloud subscriptions? Why they go on and milk developers, who make apps FOR THEIR ECOSYSTEM?!

You get it though. They ARE the top 3 most valuable company in the world. How do you think they got there? Greed all the way down.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by bigDinosaur »

willtemperley wrote: post #399
spacebanana7 wrote: post #356

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> If Apple can legally claim 30% of your salary then a doctor using an iPad to demonstrate results of a scan to a patient has to pay Apple 30% of their consultation fee. Apple could absolutely do this. They could say that professional medical use of macOS requires a commercial license, and the price of that commercial licence could be linked to revenue. Doctors - or rather their hospital IT/procurement departments -…

If that were legally enforcable, which is almost certainly not the case, Microsoft and Google could do the same, making your argument moot in this context.

What would make this legally unenforceable?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by randallsquared »

SwtCyber wrote: post #414
nabla9 wrote: post #327

Apple’s App Store profits on commissions from digital sales Revenue $32 B Operating Costs $7 B [1] Estimated Profit $25 B Operating Margin ~78% [1] R&D, security, hosting, human review, and including building and maintaining developer tools Xcode, APIs, and SDKs. Apple could take just 7% cut and still make 20% profits. Fun Fact: During the Epic trial, it was revealed that Apple's profit margins on the App Store were…

What really makes it uncomfortable is that Apple isn't just a neutral marketplace. They control the OS, the distribution channel, and the payment rails, so creators and platforms like Patreon can't realistically opt out

While inconvenient and likely to reduce patrons, the article does describe how they can opt out: use the web to do any payment activity.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by benoau »

kickette wrote: post #313
troupo wrote: post #293

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Yes, because intimidation and scare tactics work

This means that 4% are subverting the 30% fee.

Like Apple subverted the court order to allow apps like Patreon to use their own billing.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by chii »

SwtCyber wrote: post #414
nabla9 wrote: post #327

Apple’s App Store profits on commissions from digital sales Revenue $32 B Operating Costs $7 B [1] Estimated Profit $25 B Operating Margin ~78% [1] R&D, security, hosting, human review, and including building and maintaining developer tools Xcode, APIs, and SDKs. Apple could take just 7% cut and still make 20% profits. Fun Fact: During the Epic trial, it was revealed that Apple's profit margins on the App Store were…

What really makes it uncomfortable is that Apple isn't just a neutral marketplace. They control the OS, the distribution channel, and the payment rails, so creators and platforms like Patreon can't realistically opt out

They could opt out - by sticking to web platforms.

Apple cannot charge for that. However, apple does attempt to gimp the web platforms on mobile to "subtly" push for apps.

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Post by poulpy123 »

Fokamul wrote: post #342
jinzo wrote: post #243

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I'm running a small service, sub 150 users, no online signup kind of business, B2B. Small EU country. 95% of users ask 'do you have an mobile app?' in first 5 minutes of onboarding. Telling them how to install a PWA (and what it is and so forth) is an uphill battle. Unfortunately App Stores rule the non technical crowd.

What kind of users are these? Power-users or normal users (Android etc.) or dum..Apple users? Because in my circle, power-users and beyond. Everybody is angry with apps needed for everything, you want buy bread in store, "do you have our app?" It's a meme here. And in our local subreddit, 600k users. Sentiment is the same. We also tried to bypass stores apps with generating new accounts and distributing QR/cards for…

By definition power users and beyond are a minority

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Post by simondotau »

troupo wrote: post #405
simondotau wrote: post #337

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For interactive entertainment, I see no moral obligation for Apple to adopt any particular policy unless all major digital game store operators (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve etc) are subject to the same requirements. For all other apps, I agree that alternative payment processing should be permitted for one-off transactions. And I can agree for subscriptions as well, provided the developer can meet a high standar…

> no moral obligation for Apple to adopt any particular policy unless all major digital game store operators (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve etc) are subject to the same requirements. Why? iPhones are not gaming consoles.

Liquor stores are not candy stores, yet they are allowed to sell candy to minors while being prohibited from selling liquor. The principle is straightforward: regulation should follow the product, not the venue.
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