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U.S. government has lost more than 10k STEM PhDs since Trump took office

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Post by Herring »

relaxing wrote: post #377
Herring wrote: post #342

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Any sources on that debunking? I can't say I've seen anything like that, but I'm open to read about it. Intuitively any societal problems like cost of living will feed into the far-right recruitment narrative that the elites are incompetent. All kinds of incumbents lost ground worldwide after Covid. And last I read the consensus is housing is a big contributor to the far-right issues in Denmark and the Netherlands. B…

https://scholarship.depauw.edu/politicalscience_facpubs/1/ Re: regulation Ah but you’ve forgotten to think higher order, for how can a right wing government financed by big tech break up big tech? Such action will have to come from beyond the government regulatory bodies…

> Additionally, the model demonstrates that racial resentment is a far greater predictor of White support for Donald Trump than measures that capture economic anxiety.

That paper isn't quite saying the same thing I'm saying.

Author wants to argue racism is a bigger factor, sure that's fine with me. I think he's probably right. My point is economic anxiety is also a factor, and more importantly it's modifiable. It's a lot easier to pass healthcare/unemployment/etc laws than to convince millions of racists about literally anything, they're so dumb.

And I'd prefer if the paper was studying multiple countries to get a better picture. There's a (negative) correlation between robust welfare states and far-right penetration. It's weakening a little lately for various reasons, but it's there.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

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Post by compsciphd »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #419
theshrike79 wrote: post #403

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EU is more stable. A sigle person can't declare themselves dictator and unilaterally start applying rules affecting the whole of EU. And the "extreme" tax thing is just pure propaganda. USA pays just as much, but it's not called a "tax", it's just insurance copays (whatever that is), credit card fees, childcare fees, tuitions etc.

As I often point out here, my marginal rate where I live (Ireland) and what I'd have paid in California were almost identical. Now California is a high-tax state, but given that there's no health insurance included that seems pretty similar to me.

were you not employed by an employer that was paying your insurance premiums? Heck, when I was in california the startup I was at was paying almost my entire insurance premium.

and in practice, I'd argue I had better quality of care from that than from my socialized insurance in my current country, though the socialized care does have some benefits.

reason for better quality of care is that in the US system for all its problems, the patient is the customer as they have many options and each doctor is running an independent business. my experience with socialized medicine is that the government is really the customer, not me, and doctors are not really running independent businesses (and when they do, they aren't particularly cheap). It's like having a single HMO that gets to decide what you get with little recourse. While some might equate it to health insurance companies in the US, I, at least, felt I had much more flexibility with them.

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Post by filoeleven »

derangedHorse wrote: post #412
GJim wrote: post #405

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"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".

Not an applicable quote to parent. Everyone made a choice, but not participating is definitionally a different choice than participating and going along with a specific option.

That was a great argument up until the guy who led an insurrection was allowed to run for president again. At that point, if you're apathetic, you're supporting what's coming.

Edit: The Royal You, not the person I'm replying to.

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Post by SetTheorist »

compsciphd wrote: post #442
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #419

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As I often point out here, my marginal rate where I live (Ireland) and what I'd have paid in California were almost identical. Now California is a high-tax state, but given that there's no health insurance included that seems pretty similar to me.

were you not employed by an employer that was paying your insurance premiums? Heck, when I was in california the startup I was at was paying almost my entire insurance premium. and in practice, I'd argue I had better quality of care from that than from my socialized insurance in my current country, though the socialized care does have some benefits. reason for better quality of care is that in the US system for all i…

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy-vs-health...

The data does not support the claim that the US has "better quality of care"

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Post by kelipso »

dragontamer wrote: post #418
kelipso wrote: post #415

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I don’t really give a shit about your opinion though. It’s just objective fact that BYD along with Tesla are world class cars and therefore they should be the main discussion point here.

> It’s just objective fact that BYD along with Tesla are world class cars World class propaganda maybe. Cars definitely not. I'll give China the Volvo brand. I can see the quality difference at any car show. I remember seeing some other nice looking Chinese cars but BYD (and Tesla for that matter) are objectively awful.

They’re still world class cars as they sell well everywhere in the world. The quality compared to some other smaller brands are not really important criteria in that context.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Aqua0 wrote: post #390
insane_dreamer wrote: post #381

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Geely is Volvo's parent company but Volvo still designs and manufactures its cars. Geely gets to benefit from Volvo technology for its own Chinese brands. Just like Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover but it doesn't mean India is "pumping out world-class cars". I left China in 2017 so my info is a little dated but unless there was a _giant_ leap in quality I wouldn't trust a Chinese car any more than I trust other Chines…

You can't buy $100 worth of merchandise for 1 penny. It's the manufacturer's principal's bid and proposed criteria that are key. There are still a lot of third world populations in the world that need low quality, low price shit. Including parts of the U.S. population.

> It's the manufacturer's principal's bid and proposed criteria that are key.

Agreed. And Chinese brands are, on the whole, more concerned with cost than quality. Things are made to look shiny on the outside with a great "spec list", but are crap on the inside.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Peaches4Rent wrote: post #384
insane_dreamer wrote: post #355

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US is quickly heading the direction of China, but China is much much further along the path of authoritarian hellscape: no free speech at all, no freedom of the press, all social media is heavily censored, and the GFW allows government control of the Internet (yes, I know, VPNs exist, but they can be shut down and aren't even on the radar of the vast majority of the population.) All this was already the case in 2017…

Agreed. I think the original thread was about which country you would rather visit as a European. And it seems that China comes ahead

China is a great place to visit. Living there long-term is an entirely different matter.

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Post by MetroWind »

I love how Americans still dip their heads in the sand and pat themselves on the back by saying China produces low quality stuff.

* It's low quality stuff that you buy everyday * It's not merely low quality stuff, but low quality stuff in astonishing quantity... * ... and among them, occasionally there are some high quality stuff. It might be a small ratio, but the base number is there.

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Post by copperx »

garte wrote: post #338
retired wrote: post #177

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Because I was able to get a better QoL elsewhere in the EU. The average worker in The Netherlands has one of the best QoL compared to average workers in other countries. But the Dutch income leveling and benefit system makes it so a high earner doesn’t have a significantly better QoL. Someone earning €30k has roughly the same spending power as someone earning €50k. (edit: net income after tax and benefits is €42k ver…

It gives you more things to buy, doesn't it? That does not necessarily translate to a better life.

I believe OP is saying that while QoL is great in the Netherlands, it has an upper bound. I suppose that he has access to resources that could provide an ever higher QoL in other countries. For example, in the USA, QoL can be good if you're a millionaire and gets better as you acquire more resources.

Unfortunately, there's no QoL lower bound in the USA, either.

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