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Post by hdivider »

mfld wrote: post #408

I'd like to hypothesize a little bit about the strategy of OpenAI. Obviously, it is nice for academic users that there is a new option for collaborative LaTeX editing plus LLM integration for free. At the same time, I don't think there is much added revenue expected here, for example, from Pro features or additional LLM usage plans. My theory is that the value lies in the training data received from highly skilled ac…

Even that would be quite niche for OpenAI. They raised far too much capital, and now have to deliver on AGI, fast. Or an ultra-high-growth segment, which has not materialized.

The reason? I can give you the full source for Sam Altman:

while(alive) { RaiseCapital() }

That is the full extent of Altman. :)

Re: Prism

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Post by BlueTemplar »

946789987649 wrote: post #426
jll29 wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the OP was talking about is the negative connotation that goes with the word; it's certainly a poor choice from a marketing point of view. You may say it's "silly to obsess", but it's like naming a product "Auschwitz" and saying "it's just a city name" -- it ignores the power of what Geffrey N. Leech called "associative meaning" in his taxonomy of "Seven Types of Meaning" (Semantics, 2nd. ed. 1989): speaking tha…

Do a lot of people know that Prism is the name of the program? I certainly didn't and consider myself fairly switched on in general

It's likely to be an age thing too. Were you in hacker-related spaces when the Snowden scandal happened ?

(I expect a much higher than average share of people in academia also part of these spaces.)

Re: Prism

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Post by BlueTemplar »

omnimus wrote: post #378
TiredOfLife wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Him being (or best case becoming) a russian asset turned out to be true

Like it would matter for any of the revelations. And like he would have other choices to not go to prison. Look at how it worked out for Assange.

Assange became a Russian asset *while* in a whistleblowing-related job.

(And he is also the reason why Snowden ended up in Russia. Though it's possible that the flight plan they had was still the best one in that situation.)

Re: Prism

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Post by lonelyasacloud »

Rperry2174 wrote: post #86
JBorrow wrote: post #32

From my perspective as a journal editor and a reviewer these kinds of tools cause many more problems than they actually solve. They make the 'barrier to entry' for submitting vibed semi-plausible journal articles much lower, which I understand some may see as a benefit. The drawback is that scientific editors and reviewers provide those services for free, as a community benefit. One example was a submission their und…

This keeps repeating in different domains: we lower the cost of producing artifacts and the real bottleneck is evaluating them. For developers, academics, editors, etc... in any review driven system the scarcity is around good human judgement not text volume. Ai doesn't remove that constraint and arguably puts more of a spotlight on the ability to separate the shit from the quality. Unless review itself becomes cheap…

> Unless review itself becomes cheaper or better, this just shifts work further downstream and disguising the change as "efficiency"

Or the providers of the models are capable of providing accepted/certified guarantees as to the quality of the output that their models and systems produce.

Re: Prism

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Post by _kb »

SimianSci wrote: post #170
willturman wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a corollary to Sturgeon's Law, I'd propose Altman's Law: "In the Age of AI, 99.999...% of everything is crap"

Altman's Law: 99% of all content is slop I can get behind this. This assumes a tool will need to be made to help determine the 1% that isn't slop. At which point I assume we will have reinvented web search once more. Has anyone looked at reviving PageRank?

For images surely this is the next pivot for hot dog / not hot dog.

Re: Prism

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Post by BlueTemplar »

jll29 wrote: post #415
BlueTemplar wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what's the point ? To end up with yet another shitty (because running inside a browser, in particular its interface) web app ? Why not focus efforts into making a proper program (you know, with IBM menu bars and keyboard shortcuts), but with collaborative tools too ?

You are right in pointing out that the Web browser isn't the most suitable UI paradigm for highly interactive applications like a scientific typesetting system/text editor. I have occasionally lost a paragraph just by accidental marking a few lines and pressing [Backspace]. But at the moment, there is no better option than Overleaf, and while I encourage you to write what you propose if you can, Overleaf will be the…

OP is talking about developing an alternative to Overleaf. But they are still trying to do it inside a browser !

Re: Prism

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Post by unicodeveloper »

Not too bad an acquisition though. Scientists need more tech tools just like everyone else to accelerate their work. The faster scientists are, the more discoveries & world class solutions to problems we can have.

Maybe OpenAI should acquire Valyu too. They allow you deepresearch on academic papers.

Re: Prism

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Post by black_puppydog »

ZpJuUuNaQ5 wrote: post #384
Perseids wrote: post #341

I'm dumbfounded they chose the name of the infamous NSA mass surveillance program revealed by Snowden in 2013. And even more so that there is just one other comment among 320 pointing this out [1]. Has the technical and scientific community in the US already forgotten this huge breach of trust? This is especially jarring at a time where the US is burning its political good-will at unprecedented rate (at least unprece…

>I'm dumbfounded they chose the name of the infamous NSA mass surveillance program revealed by Snowden in 2013. And even more so that there is just one other comment among 320 pointing this out I just think it's silly to obsess over words like that. There are many words that take on different meanings in different contexts and can be associated with different events, ideas, products, time periods, etc. Would you feel…

I have to say I had the same reaction. Sure, "prism" shows up in many contexts. But here it shows up in the context of a company and product that is already constantly in the news for its lackluster regard for other people's expectation of privacy, copyright, and generally trying to "collect it all" as it were, and that, as GP mentioned, in an international context that doesn't put these efforts in the best light.

They're of course free to choose this name. I'm just also surprised they would do so.

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Post by CalRobert »

Perseids wrote: post #341

I'm dumbfounded they chose the name of the infamous NSA mass surveillance program revealed by Snowden in 2013. And even more so that there is just one other comment among 320 pointing this out [1]. Has the technical and scientific community in the US already forgotten this huge breach of trust? This is especially jarring at a time where the US is burning its political good-will at unprecedented rate (at least unprece…

Do they care what anyone over 30 thinks?

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Post by bergheim »

ZpJuUuNaQ5 wrote: post #384
Perseids wrote: post #341

I'm dumbfounded they chose the name of the infamous NSA mass surveillance program revealed by Snowden in 2013. And even more so that there is just one other comment among 320 pointing this out [1]. Has the technical and scientific community in the US already forgotten this huge breach of trust? This is especially jarring at a time where the US is burning its political good-will at unprecedented rate (at least unprece…

>I'm dumbfounded they chose the name of the infamous NSA mass surveillance program revealed by Snowden in 2013. And even more so that there is just one other comment among 320 pointing this out I just think it's silly to obsess over words like that. There are many words that take on different meanings in different contexts and can be associated with different events, ideas, products, time periods, etc. Would you feel…

Sure. Like Goebbels. Because they gobble things up.

Altso, nazism. But different context, years ago, so whatever I guess?

Hell, let's just call it Hitler. Different context!

Given what they do it is an insidious name. Words matter.

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