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Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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I find it interesting to contrast this with my experience flying out of China. I was taken to a private room and shown the digital colored X-ray of my bag on which a box had been drawn around an empty lighter, I was asked to remove it myself and hand it over, and I went on my way. All in under 5 minutes, no pat down, no fuss, and no one physically rifled through my belongings. (Granted I was a tourist so that might w…

I flew into the UK once with a small nerf pistol. Going in, no problem. Going out I was asked to remove it, lol.

Heathrow is annoying in that you need to go through security every time you change terminal (or enter one for the first time when arriving internationally).

Had to go through security 4 times in a day due to a colossal fuck up by an airline.

Each time they flagged something different on a different person. Still no idea what they were looking for in a purse 3 of 4 times.

It’s wildly inconsistent and I kinda doubt it’s intentional fuzzy logic.

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A lighter is very different from a weapon. I'm sure they can see everything they need to see with X-rays. Do you think they find a white guy flying out of China to be a likely terrorist? (I'm assuming you are white or asian.) I've never had a bad experience with TSA but I hate taking off my shoes and all. I really question the value of those security measures.

There are countries that for whatever reason do not allow lighters on airplanes. One time my bag was searched furiously because they saw a lighter on the machine, but had trouble locating it. Took two people about 15 minutes. Finally found it. It was very tiny.

Can depend on the lighter. A $1 plain lighter is fine in some countries while a $3 pressurized “jet” lighter is often prohibited.

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> You can't protect against an opponent who's motivated to learn the inherent vulnerabilities of our systems, many of which can't be protected against due to the laws of physics and practicality - short of forcing everyone to travel naked and strapped in like cattle, with no luggage. And even then, what about the extremist who works for the airline? This is said as an axiom, but we have protected against the motivate…

Mitivated terrorists pivoted to driving cars into crowds and shootings.

As horrific as truck attacks, mass shootings, and suicide bombings have been, no-one have been on the same order of magnitude as airborne terrorism attacks.

The Bataclan, Las Vegas, Nice truck attack - all enormous tragedies. But compare to 9/11, Lockerbie, Flight 182, etc.

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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If you think you had it bad all these years, you should come and visit the Falkland Islands. I will be brief, but I will explain what going through the Mount Pleasant Airport (MPN) feel like for the average visitor.

For added context: Only one flight by a commercial airline a week on Saturday, comes in around 1300, departs around 1500. You miss it, you wait another week.

- The terminal is extremely small, the plane that comes around can probably fit around 180 pax, you could not fit that many people on the check-in lounge, which means a lot of times people have to queue outside, even in the winter.

- Check in is sluggish, with the Airline representatives in the Falklands calling for check in 4 hours in advance when a flight is full.

- After getting your ticket, security will check your bags and you will be asked to wait an undetermined amount of time, to see if a "random" check need to take place, again, the terminal is tiny, people often crowds waiting forever for their name the be shouted by some security person.

- If you manage to get passed this part, you are still not safe, security can still call your name when passing through or after immigration. Even if you are already in the wait lounge. Someone might still show up and shout your name.

- Immigration will scan your passport and charge you £40 for leaving the country.

- Now you are actually commit to the security checkpoint (these are the same guys that scan the bags on check-in). At any given time there is at least 10 in a 5m2 area. You are forced to take your shoes, no liquids are allowed, no toothpaste, take all electronics out of your bag, take jacket off.

- You are randomly tested for drug and explosive traces (GOING OFF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS)

- You may be patted

- All your belongings might be checked at this point as well.

All in all, you could be looking at a 2-hour ordeal from start to finish.

Do yourself a favor. Go to Maldives instead.

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Are you saying they fined you for picking someone up in the drop off area? If so that's pretty wild. It's all just traffic at the end of the day.

I do that all the time in certain airports when the drop off is essentially empty with 0 line but pickup is a half mile row of cars.

Shhhhh

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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In the 90's USA was sensible. I was flying with a thermos of hot coffee in my carry on. As soon as they took out the thermos and felt the heat radiating from the lid the agent said, "I don't think they would heat it", smiled and passed me thru. Now when I fly I have to be careful. When they ask purpose of visit I say sightseeing. I used to say tourist, but with my accent that once caused alarm when the agent thought…

I wonder how many actual terrorists they pick up for saying "I'm here for terrorism"

Believe it or not it’s a question on the pre-clearance form for travel to the US: ”are you or have you ever been a member of a terrorist organisation” - I always wondered what the rationale for that was

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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In the 90's USA was sensible. I was flying with a thermos of hot coffee in my carry on. As soon as they took out the thermos and felt the heat radiating from the lid the agent said, "I don't think they would heat it", smiled and passed me thru. Now when I fly I have to be careful. When they ask purpose of visit I say sightseeing. I used to say tourist, but with my accent that once caused alarm when the agent thought…

I wonder how many actual terrorists they pick up for saying "I'm here for terrorism"

On the other hand, if somebody said "I'm here for terrorism" and the immigration officer laughed that off, imagine the shitstorm if that person turns out to be a terrorist.

For the individual employee the cost of wasting someone's time by escalating the case and detaining them is zero, the potential cost of letting someone slip by is realistically tiny but potentially huge

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I wonder how many actual terrorists they pick up for saying "I'm here for terrorism"

Believe it or not it’s a question on the pre-clearance form for travel to the US: ”are you or have you ever been a member of a terrorist organisation” - I always wondered what the rationale for that was

It's easier to deport people for lying on their immigration form than for having been a member of a terrorist organization

Re: Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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Flammable liquid and all high temperature lighters are forbidden, as are Li-ion batteries over 100kWh.

You can buy up to 5L up to 70% alcohol after security, no? Sounds pretty flammable

Can get that up to 99% with the right salts and some vigorous shaking.
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