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Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by joquarky »

pstuart wrote: post #166
an0malous wrote: post #124

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I agree, I’m one of the Very Serious Engineers and I liked Steve’s post when I thought it was sort of tongue in cheek but was horrified to come to the HN comments and LinkedIn comments proclaiming Gastown as the future of engineering. There absolutely is a large contingent of engineers who believe this, and it has a real world impact on my job if my bosses think you can just throw a dozen AI agents at our product roa…

AI is such a fun topic -- the hype makes it easy to loath, but as a coder working with Claude I think it's an awesome tool. Gastown looks like a viable avenue for some app development. One of the most interesting things I've noticed about AI development is that it forces one to articulate desired and prohibited behaviors -- a spec becomes a true driving force. Yegge's posts are always hyperbolic and he consistently p…

I find it interesting that waterfall is becoming popular again.

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Post by matkoniecz »

skybrian wrote: post #376
matkoniecz wrote: post #297

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He is still an evil scammer scamming people. In the same way signposting and credibly warning "I murder people" does not make ok to murder people.

Do you have the same attitude towards all forms of gambling?

Yes, if people benefiting from gambling misrepresent it as for example investing.

In such cases it is a scam.

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Post by matkoniecz »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #412
matkoniecz wrote: post #299

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And https://steve-yegge.medium.com/bags-and-the-creator-economy-... where you can read about its author scamming people

I don't understand what's "scammy" about a rugpull. What did the "investors" expect? That lolcoin would become a cash flow positive business and disburse dividends?

The part where you lie to people and falsely describe it as investing and promise/imply/mention profits.

Rugpull is a scam by definition, being confused why scam is scammy seems weird.

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Post by michaelcampbell »

piker wrote: post #52
mediaman wrote: post #46

I don't get the widespread hatred of Gas Town. If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment. It pushes and crosses boundaries, it is a mixture of technology and art, it is provocative. It takes stochastic neural nets and mashes them together in bizarre ways to see if anything coherent comes out the other end. And the reaction is a bunch of Very Serious Engineers who cross their arms and h…

> If you read Steve's writeup Personally I got about 3 paragraphs into what seemed like a twelve-page fevered dream and filed it under "not for me yet".

Yegge's been around a long, long time and this is about within a standard deviation of his normal writings, at least in style. I haven't read much of his LLM/AI related stuff, but none of Gas Town left me with any sort of "huh" reaction, knowing the author.

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Post by meowface »

JasonADrury wrote: post #390
jaapz wrote: post #389

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That sounds like victim blaming to me

It's not a scam, there's no misrepresentation. This very clearly isn't marketed as an investment of any kind https://bags.fm https://apps.apple.com/app/bags-financial-messenger/id647319... The tagline of the app? "Buy & sell memecoins". Transparently advertised as a crowdfunding mechanism using memecoins.

What? Of course it's marketed as an investment. That's the sole thing it's marketed as. Are you not able to lift the thinnest veil imaginable?

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Post by meowface »

JasonADrury wrote: post #387
meowface wrote: post #354

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Because you'd be aiding and abetting a pennystock scam.

The difference between bags.fm and pennystock scams is that bags.fm is very obviously not marketed as an investment, but a crowdfunding tool.

It's absolutely marketed as an investment, and solely used and referenced by people saying it is an investment. This is like saying those cannabis paraphernalia shops are marketed as only for tobacco.

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Post by meowface »

JasonADrury wrote: post #386
victorbjorklund wrote: post #365

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But people do. There are people who genuinely think crypto is an investment. Yes, smart people knows it is just a grift and that it is just about selling it on to the next person before it crashes. But is it moral to make money on stupid people? Many people lose all their money on gambling even if we always known gambling is a loss.

> There are people who genuinely think crypto is an investment. Sure! Are those people buying bags.fm tokens? Probably not. This isn't even marketed as an investment https://bags.fm but a crowdfunding tool for developers with a casino attached. You don't have to be smart to read the big text on the website.

You don't have to be smart to understand they're very, very, very obviously saying it's an investment and using extremely superficial cover. All things like these are exclusively pennystock scams.

You're being bamboozled. Google the name of it. Search it on Twitter and 4chan. Watch any Coffeezilla video.

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Post by radlad »

eikenberry wrote: post #233
radlad wrote: post #38

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After listening to Yegge's interview, I'm not sure this is accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuJyJP517Uw For example, he makes a comment to the effect that anyone using an IDE to look at code in 2026 is a "bad engineer."

Hyperbole is very common.

Watch the video - he's very clear that he's not looking at code. I see no indication that he is being hyperbolic.

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Post by PKop »

mediaman wrote: post #46

I don't get the widespread hatred of Gas Town. If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment. It pushes and crosses boundaries, it is a mixture of technology and art, it is provocative. It takes stochastic neural nets and mashes them together in bizarre ways to see if anything coherent comes out the other end. And the reaction is a bunch of Very Serious Engineers who cross their arms and h…

> it's clear that this is a big fun experiment.

No it's not clear, because at every turn we're told we're supposed to take it seriously, that there's something there there and that's it's a very real hint at some very real future not whimsical nonsense made for a laugh. You can see this in Steve's writing, calling out the non-believers. Then when you call the bluff, well "it's just a prank bro chill out."

> It pushes and crosses boundaries

What does this mean? This is fluff talk nonsense.

Something that's burning through thousands of dollars, producing what exactly?, is deserving of our respect why?

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Post by PKop »

cannonpr wrote: post #270
skybrian wrote: post #242

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That was very weird. In the post where he was arguably "shilling," he seems to have signposted pretty well that it was dumb, but he will take the money they offered: > $GAS is not equity and does not give you any ownership interest in Gas Town or my work. This post is for informational purposes only and is not a solicitation or recommendation to buy, sell, or hold any token. Crypto markets are volatile and speculativ…

“Degenerate gamblers” is the kind of stigma that stops people and their families getting help for addiction. Even if you believe it’s a moral failing, the families deserve better.

No harsh belittling is what makes them quit, not accommodating their nonsense and excusing it. There should be a stigma with destructive behavior. The flaw is this decades-long trend of talking about stigmas and refusing to condemn bad behaviors.
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