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Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by ben_w »

breppp wrote: post #412
jdgoesmarching wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Army veteran, I find this kind of keyboard warrioring to be insanely cringe. The “last time” was 20 years after Mexico had secured their independence from Spain and a few years after fending the military was worn down fending off incursions from France. Mexico was barely able to control or defend northern territories from indigenous tribes at the time, never mind a full country’s military. It was also nearly 18…

it is still extremely doubtful that Mexico will fare well in a conflict with the United States

I don't have any military knowledge, so I defer to those who do, but also I think Mexico could seriously harm the US by… paying for a border wall.

All those undocumented workers the US wants to keep out, they're really important to the US actually functioning.

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Post by consumer451 »

US voters, please be aware that this bill has been introduced in the House. Maybe call you reps to voice support? Democracy is not dead yet.

> Bipartisan Legislation Prohibiting a U.S. Invasion of a NATO State Introduced

https://hoyer.house.gov/media/press-releases/bipartisan-legi...

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by ben_w »

jh54 wrote: post #370

Why is this not on the front page anymore?? It has more upvotes and comments than anything else posted since it’s been posted 2 hours ago, and has been on the front page for an hour before disappearing Also go EU!

> Why is this not on the front page anymore??

Most things fall off the front page really fast, I know because I am now spending rather too much time on this site…

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Post by dyauspitr »

zarmsdos wrote: post #426
dyauspitr wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you’re right but at this point it’s a single issue cult for a lot of folks. For instance, I know a very rational, personable guy that seems generally progressive on a variety of social issues but calls for the extermination of trans people with a straight face. There’s no reasoning with these people, even the ones swayed by rational opinion in other parts of their life.

That sounds extreme. Do you mean extermination as in mass murder? Or do you just mean he rejects the underlying ideology and would like to see policy that does the same?

Lined up against the wall

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Post by Sabinus »

rpiguy wrote: post #270
yoyohello13 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised how many people on HN voted for this. A lot of people seem to only care about their stock portfolio, and Trump makes number go up.

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Did you vote for Trump?

Do you approve of the immigration enforcement?

Do you approve of the tariff antics?

Do you approve of Trump torching American reputation with her allies?

Was Jan 6 an attempt to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power?

Would you vote for Trump again?

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by bee_rider »

csa wrote: post #304
bee_rider wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is getting downvoted because it is a well known silly trope. Generally, success reinforces itself. That’s why there have been a bunch of countries that have had multi-generational streaks of repeated success. Eventually, this feedback look can fail, but it isn’t on some predictable four generation pattern.

> Eventually, this feedback look can fail, but it isn’t on some predictable four generation pattern. Actually, it kind of is. See The Fourth Turning and any other book based on the Strauss-Howe generational theory. Is this theory air-tight and inviolable? No. Does it more or less support this “silly trope”? Yes. I think it’s safe to say that it is directionally correct.

I don’t think that book was well regarded by historians. It’s more of a pop-sociology thing, right?

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by kurtis_reed »

EastLondonCoder wrote: post #252

This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

Sure you can buy territory, like the Danish West Indies

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by kurtis_reed »

maxloh wrote: post #165

I wonder how the current events in Greenland will impact the safety and sovereignty of Taiwan. The US is Taiwan’s most important military ally, even if that relationship remains unofficial. It is also the most critical power in the First Island Chain. If the US stopped being a global superpower, countries like Japan and South Korea might not be willing to aid in defending Taiwan on their own.

How do current events affect the US being a global superpower?

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Post by tzs »

legitster wrote: post #217

Even all of the purely imperialistic stated reasons for taking Greenland make no sense. National security? We already have the right to station as many troops there as we want! And we have actually removed troops recently. Mineral rights? America is already richly endowed - its just impossible to access what we have when permitting is almost impossible. If there were actually valuable lodes in Greenland, it would pro…

The NYT asked him about this a couple weeks ago. Here's an article with some excerpts from that [1]. Key parts:

> President Donald Trump revealed in a new interview with The New York Times that his quest for full “ownership” of Greenland is "psychologically important” to him.

> During a two-hour sit-down with multiple Times reporters on Jan. 7, Trump was questioned about why he won't just send more American troops to Greenland — which is legal under a Cold War–era agreement — if his goal is to fend off foreign threats. The president replied by saying that he won't feel comfortable unless he owns the island.

> "Why is ownership important here?" Times national security correspondent David E. Sanger asked.

> "Because that’s what I feel is psychologically needed for success," Trump, 79, replied. "I think that ownership gives you a thing that you can’t do, whether you’re talking about a lease or a treaty. Ownership gives you things and elements that you can’t get from just signing a document, that you can have a base."

> White House correspondent Katie Rogers — whom Trump recently called "ugly, both inside and out" for writing a story about his age — chimed in to ask, "Psychologically important to you or to the United States?"

> “Psychologically important for me," Trump answered. "Now, maybe another president would feel differently, but so far I’ve been right about everything."

[1] https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/donald-trump-says-wants-...

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by bcye »

teiferer wrote: post #267
Tangokat wrote: post #232

The Americans on HN driving tech, science and innovation are enabling Trump to do this. Without you he would be nothing. Where is your integrity? Do you think having no allies makes you more safe? Is this really the world you want?

How are US tech folks more enabling Trump than anybody else who pays tax there?

Some, by working for companies (big tech) that have given little resistance to trump but rather funded his ball room, etc. Sadly, everyone quitting those companies would not really be a reasonable solution either, though there are more possible actions than that
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