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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

epistasis wrote: post #44
godzillabrennus wrote: post #18

I wanted an F-150 Lightning when it launched. Demand was high enough that I was told I'd have to pay over retail. I did not buy an F-150 Lightning and bought an ICE (internal combustion engine) vehicle. The depreciation of electric vehicles has made me appreciate those circumstances more and more.

> Demand was high enough that I was told I'd have to pay over retail Meanwhile the article says "the Ford F-150 Lightning delivered approximately 27,300 units in the US." I wonder how much dealers lie about these things. They tell you that there's not enough of them to go around, then Ford cancels them, because of what exactly?

> Meanwhile the article says "the Ford F-150 Lightning delivered approximately 27,300 units in the US."

In one year. Total was north of 100K

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by troad »

burnte wrote: post #386
doktor2un wrote: post #380

Short term Ford thinking again, that’s why they’re losing to Tesla.

If the Lightning OUTSOLD Tesla, is that really losing to them? Feels to me like an indictment of the scale that Tesla actually operates: an order of magnitude less than the big car makers. If Ford declares a truck that sold better than CT as a failure, it's because for their size it didn't sell enough. If that lesser number IS enough for Tesla, they're simply not a player in the same league as Ford.

> If the Lightning OUTSODE Tesla

This reflects a very common pronunciation of syllable-final Ls in English, called a vocalised L, but I've never seen it reflected in spelling in such a way. Very cool!

I'm extremely curious - did you go for that spelling as an intentional stylistic variation, or was it a typo reflecting your usual pronunciation?

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

jandrese wrote: post #63
loeg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The depreciation of electric vehicles has made me appreciate those circumstances more and more. The depreciation for most EVs isn't all that different from that of new ICE vehicles. For a while, MSRPs were artificially inflated by the EV tax credit, which could give artificially worse depreciation appearance .

So now that the tax credits are gone we should expect to see the sticker prices on new EVs to drop right? Right? Any day now?

Yes. Ask Tesla owners who bought at certain times in the past just how much the loss of the tax credit can hurt resale value when the manufacturer adjusts the price to account for it.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

_whiteCaps_ wrote: post #276
matthewfcarlson wrote: post #267

I do not understand why we haven’t seen someone take a cybertruck and drop a new body on top. I see “put a model 3 into x” on YouTube all the time. I would love to buy a cybertruck chassis with a VW bus or minivan on top (current political issues of Tesla aside).

The Cybertruck is a unibody, not body on frame, so it would be a lot of work.

Not only that, it's aluminum. The first bit of work would be giving it a real frame.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

erikstarck wrote: post #26

I'm as much of a Tesla Fan Boy that you can be but I have to say, the F-150 seems like a darn good vehicle and it's sad they're killing it. I especially like the V2X features.

I don't think they're really killing it. The Lightning EREV is next, and my bet is it's almost identical to the BEV version but with an engine where the big beautiful frunk is now. Gives them something to sell the people who think they need big range numbers, but also gives them an easy path back to a full BEV. I kind of expect them to backpedal on the full cancelation and make both vehicles.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

pepperball wrote: post #411
array_key_first wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that market is a niche at all. From what I can tell, most pickup owners don't use them as a pickup. They use them as a more masculine pavement SUV. So, you'd think, the F150 L and Cyber truck would be perfect.

Man, a gun is so much cheaper.

And equally less visible (or legally visible).

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by morshu9001 »

frogperson wrote: post #143
Workaccount2 wrote: post #17

It's a shame the Lightning got discontinued. As an EV owner, it sucks that the main thing holding the technology back is misconceptions and misunderstanding, rather than actual practical matters. People think EVs are cars with tanks of electrons, and run aground the same way you would if you thought horses were cars full of hay. It's a different transport tool that gives the same results, you just have to know how to…

The main thing holding EV back is the oil industry, not the tech. The US is the only country lagging on EV and its all because the industry puts so much effort in to squashing all progress. EVs are simpler and cheaper. Look at how fast adoption is growing outside the US. If US citizens could buy a BYD for the same price as in China, the the US auto makers and oil companies would be in trouble.

US was the first to make EVs mainstream

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

dyauspitr wrote: post #33
erikstarck wrote: post #26

I'm as much of a Tesla Fan Boy that you can be but I have to say, the F-150 seems like a darn good vehicle and it's sad they're killing it. I especially like the V2X features.

I have one and it is an amazing vehicle. However, what they are planning with their new EREV system coming out in 2027 seems pretty interesting too. You get your usual battery only mileage and then a generator kicks in to recharge the battery for longer trips. I would imagine it wouldn’t be required in 95% of most people’s trips but it gives folks the option n long road trips or heavy tows. I like it because it skips…

I like the idea of easy additional range, but I use my frunk all the time and I don't think I'd give it up for additional range that would only benefit me two or three times a year. Along with additional things to maintain.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by danans »

array_key_first wrote: post #175
danans wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a shame the Lightning got discontinued. > As an EV owner, it sucks that the main thing holding the technology back is misconceptions and misunderstanding, rather than actual practical matters. The F150 Lighting (and the Cybertruck) are failing precisely because it was impractical. It was expensive, has limited range when doing actual "pickup truck" work, like hauling tons of construction materials. It was buil…

I don't think that market is a niche at all. From what I can tell, most pickup owners don't use them as a pickup. They use them as a more masculine pavement SUV. So, you'd think, the F150 L and Cyber truck would be perfect.

> From what I can tell, most pickup owners don't use them as a pickup

You are right, except most of those people don't want an EV

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

doublesocket wrote: post #427
m463 wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was looking for the same thing and a friend gave me some advice. Get an SUV with a trailer hitch. worked out great. Maybe better than a pickup. For example - taking mountain bikes somewhere to ride - you can put them in the back, go ride, and leave them there while you go eat without someone stealing them. You can even load them the night before. dirty stuff can use a trailer (I've never needed one) and suv carries…

Never understood why the yanks don't like vans? Pickups are much less popular here in the UK, many more people use vans. A crew cab van with removable seats is infinitely more flexible than a pickup, other than long stuff which you chuck on a roof rack.

Some "yanks" align their identity with their vehicle. There are songs about trucks but yes a van or mini-van are more flexible.

There are many that buy trucks for off road capabilities but probably 70% or more of truck owners don't go off road more than once a year. Many pick up truck models, like stock versions with crew cabs, are too long and not equipped for serious off-road use. Shallow sand/snow they can handle but so can SUVs.

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