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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by inferiorhuman »

jacquesm wrote: post #429
inferiorhuman wrote: post #396

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Nah, it's a spectrum. Companies like NXP and Infineon are at one end. NXP wants a ton of personal information to access even the most basic docs on some of its chips, sometimes even an NDA. Infineon won't even acknowledge you for the most part. Companies like STM, RP, and TI are at the other end. STM got super popular because they're cheap and the documentation is incredibly easy to get at. I think RP is following su…

That's fair. Even so, the majority of the companies whose chips I would consider for specialized electronics seem to be so far down on the paranoid spectrum that it hinders their business.

Sure, some do, but some are coming around and some were never there. Which is why it's important for a company like Adafruit to pick a manufacturer that is towards the open end of the spectrum. Unfortunately NXP isn't that manufacturer even if their silicon is more powerful.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by Brian_K_White »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #340
threethirtytwo wrote: post #330

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Are you going to answer the question?

no

So it's only other people who can't criticize others in public, for you it's somehow not "DISGUSTING!".

In fact for you, you can even criticize others who haven't even done anything to you. You can do it as a pure 3rd party bystander. But no one else can do it even in response to direct attack.

Super well considered philosophy there.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by chris_wot »

Alupis wrote: post #363
Dangeranger wrote: post #106

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See additional context for the accusation(s) here[0]. [0] https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-...

My take away from this link is not what Adafruit probably wants. > we told sparkfun they needed to get their house in order > that was the big issue i wanted them to get some hr training on, or _something_ You don't tell or demand another company do something with their own employees. There's more professional ways of dealing with a situation like this. Request a meeting. Send a calm, collected, professional email to…

You don't tell or demand another company do something with their own employees. There's more professional ways of dealing with a situation like this.

Joyent's CEO once said he would have sacked another companies employee.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by scottbez1 »

MallocVoidstar wrote: post #261
torginus wrote: post #100

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Drama aside, why would someone prefer Adafruit or Sparkfun products over much cheaper whitelabel alternatives from China? A lot of those come with very good support and communities as well.

Adafruit dev boards are way more expensive than Chinese alternatives but I've never used an Adafruit board where I went "why in the world did they do X ", where X is some design choice (except having a bright LED light up while the board had power). On the other hand I've had Chinese boards that have a battery jack but an always-powered component on the board uses like 10+mA at all times when alternative choices for…

I’ve found that adafruit usually includes a cuttable solder pad for the power led when there’s real estate available. Just cut one of those traces this week in fact!

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by hitekker »

drastic9 wrote: post #190
Dangeranger wrote: post #120

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This post [0] suggests that leadership at SparkFun has been engaged in a long term harassment campaign targeting the founder of AdaFruit (Limor Fried) using company resources, and is allegedly using their CoC as a smokescreen to cover up their own bad behavior and cast blame on the victim. [0] https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-...

Yeah but this post is not necessarily the truth. This person has ahem interesting history. https://chaos.social/@North/115605819126197877

Can you explain that link a bit more? People are implying it shows crazy unhinged behavior but my quick read is just someone posting their annoyances.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by andromaton »

Probably the key to eventual clarity is at PJRC's forum. PJRC makes Teensy. Imho it's a great product, and the owner, Paul Stoffregen, a great engineer and person from my experience using their products.

https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-...

My summary:

1. SparkFun and Adafruit are in conflict 2. SparkFun manufactures Teensy under license from PJRC 3. SparkFun cuts off Adafruit as a reseller 4. Adafruit can no longer sell Teensy 5. Adafruit posts on PJRC forum announcing an open-source Teensy competitor 6. Paul posts that it's outrageous in terms of etiquette that they're announcing a competitor on his forum. Adafruit's own forum only allows discussion of Adafruit products.

He's allowing it despite mixed feelings.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by jrflowers »

xyzzyxy wrote: post #411
jrflowers wrote: post #405

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Not to split hairs here but it doesn’t look like he said it was a measured harassment report. Having worked customer service and HR, it’s somewhat common for people reporting harassment to be irate or even downright rude, especially when they feel that they’re being ignored. The idea that calling someone a jerk is grounds for a company to ignore a serious complaint is, paradoxically, what some people describe as thei…

> it doesn’t look like he said it was a measured harassment report. If splitting hairs, he originally framed the response as 'kill the messenger', implying there was no other reason for them be offended by it, misleading at least. > Anyway I don’t know what’s going on here but “Sparkfun has ceased its business relationship with Adafruit because a guy called us jerks in a complaint about our CEO” would be hilarious I…

> Taken as one instance of a broader, ongoing pattern of targeted harassment of several individuals, the combined set of public complaints make the CoC reference not at all amusing.

Having read more about all of this it sort of just seems like two dudes that hate each other.

Like for example the Adafruit guy’s complaint that the Sparkfun guy was presently posting about the domain and meme thing was objectively correct, Sparkfun guy posted a screenshot of it in his thread about the Adafruit guy (it stood out because the ‘Gen X hackers want to be Spider Jerusalem’ bit made me laugh out loud. Amazing burn, no notes)

https://chaos.social/@North/115602564578051206

It’s all kind of funny because

Are these dudes going to stop hating each other? Probably not.

Will they stop talking about each other? Probably not.

Will Sparkfun cutting off Adafruit make them stop hating or talking about each other? No.

Will this decision help customers of either company? Maybe? I would guess no but we’ll see I guess.

Like it seems like they should either hire reps so they don’t have to personally interact or just sue each other.

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