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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jijijijij »

well_ackshually wrote: post #385
jijijijij wrote: post #352

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> Pickup trucks are not used by anyone serious anywhere else in the world. Excuse me?! Pickup trucks are the sole foundation of motorized defense in some regions! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_(vehicle)

I did mention it at the end! That said, I believe most legal systems in the world frown on such behaviour, and more crucially, they're not used for carrying your groceries or 2x4's. clearly Americans lack the courage to mount up a DShK at the back of their F150, the cowards.

Oh snap, you are right! My bad, I prematurely got overly excited for comedic release and then forgot to read the rest.

But yeah, what's the point of an F150, if you don't even flex some heavy weaponry at Walmart? Timber and concrete fits the C15 just fine, it's artillery and air defense extensibility where it's lacking. Tho, fingers crossed, we may see F150 technicals by the end of the year.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by 20after4 »

peregrinus1 wrote: post #376
torginus wrote: post #342

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I love the idea of these tiny EVs. Apparently the EU's making some legislation for them so that they can go without much of the expensive 'safety' equipment such as driver tracking. Parking cars in cities not designed for them is a nightmare, but getting around with a car is so much faster than public transport, even if your city's is fairly decent.

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Replying to the entirely wrong thread? I'm not sure how this ended up here.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by throw-qqqqq »

torginus wrote: post #362

Sorry for going counter to the narrative, but I had a friend who had an early 2000s Citroen which was made around the time when French cars had the worst reputation - and I tell you, by the stories he told, they deserved it. There was no part on this which didn't get replaced during the scant few years he owned it, and it left him stranded like half a dozen times. He contemplated setting it on fire rather than sellin…

> made around the time when French cars had the worst reputation

A reputation well earned IMO…

> There was no part on this which didn't get replaced during the scant few years he owned it, and it left him stranded like half a dozen times

French cars have a philosophy of more maintenance than German cars. On the other hand, Frenchy spare parts are often cheaper and easier to replace.

E.g. a timing belt replacement on PSA HDI takes just a few hours and costs €2-300. On a VAG TDI, the same procedure is almost a full day at a (competent) workshop and costs ~5-10x as much.

Horses for courses I think.

My daily driver is a 10yo VAG, for the record.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by 20after4 »

wrigby wrote: post #113
dgacmu wrote: post #63

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ESC (electronic stability control) didn't become common until about 2010 to 2015. It makes a really big difference for safety -- EU estimates are that it's saved more than 15,000 lives. Let's backport that one too. :)

My 2004 RX-8 had decently solid ESC, but it was a “high-end” vehicle at the time. It’s definitely something we want to keep in our idealized vehicle (but let’s also keep the “disable ESC so I can have fun” button)

I was going to make this exact comment. The RX-8 had excellent stability control. Saved my ass at least once going too fast around a 90 degree corner. It also behaved really well on icy roads. It was pretty incredible for a rear wheel drive sports car, especially impressive at the time compared to every other car on the road back then.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by dizhn »

jonasdegendt wrote: post #279
dizhn wrote: post #121

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I bought my first real wheel drive car in 2014. Still have it. It's not a race car. About 170hp. It struggles at the smallest curves. Good thing it has traction control and esp. Except all the front wheel cars I had before, one even slightly more powerful and smaller, never needed any of that. Never ever buying a rwd again. (Enthusiast forums of the brand tell me I don't know how to drive RWD. Skill issue. :D)

You should look into different tires perhaps.

I will grant that there might be a match issue but I don't think Michelin Pilot Sports are bad tires.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by 20after4 »

hypercube33 wrote: post #169
Fiveplus wrote: post #29

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That would be the absolute dream engineering brief. If I actually sit down and design that vehicle, it would have something like this. List, off the top of my head. 1. You keep the modern metallurgy and the crumple zones. You keep ABS and basic traction control because they are solved problems that save lives without needing cloud connectivity. 2. Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in…

We already had basically the solution you suggested with airplay/car play - USB charger with audio out that just is a display. when a phone isn't plugged in it shows super basic radio features like station and song name for AM and FM.

Had it and now most manufacturers are abandoning that for some proprietary crap that's much worse and requires a subscription for navigation and music streaming.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by constantcrying »

Fischgericht wrote: post #439
constantcrying wrote: post #425

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>Best car I ever had. You were doing 160 in a death trap with minimal safety features, which was literally making the air unbreathable.

Citroën were the first to make diesel filters standard. And my C15 had the HDi engine with diesel filters. And unlike others, they did not cheat and were not part of the Diesel scandal. Also, I survived. And when it comes to security features, more important than not having side airbags would have been not to combine smoking weed and fellatio while doing 160. I am not saying that any of this would be a good idea if k…

>Citroën were the first to make diesel filters standard. And my C15 had the HDi engine with diesel filters.

Modern Diesel Engines have gotten so much better in every single area.

>And unlike others, they did not cheat and were not part of the Diesel scandal.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/dutch-court-says-dies...

Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py37TT6PxW4 to see just how common cheating was. Also have a look at the graph at 17:47 .

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by IgorPartola »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #327
IgorPartola wrote: post #259

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I have a Ford F-150 (14 gen) and the front is so huge I need to step on the front grill guard to reach anything inside the engine compartment. It is all around an unreasonably sized vehicle. My excuse is that (a) I do use it for home improvement stuff and for hauling stuff around and (b) I work from home so no commute. But for most people who do not work construction this is an insane daily driver.

> I do use it for home improvement stuff and for hauling stuff around I don’t understand this argument, as they seem incredibly impractical for that. There is very little space for ‘stuff’, there is only the uncovered bed which is relatively small. The bed is also at an awkward height so very impractical to get stuff in or out. Since the bed is open, you always have to take all your ‘stuff’ out, you can’t leave tools…

Have you ever loaded drywall into a van? It is not fun. A truck bed is sized to load it perfectly. Strapping down lumber is also simpler. Lastly with nothing above the truck bed you can carry much taller things than in a van.

It isn’t the only way but yes a truck is very practical. That’s why they are used so much in the US. The difference between the US and the EU isn’t just arbitrary either. In the US gas (sorry, petrol) is a lot cheaper, roads are bigger, wider, longer, and sometimes you need to tow a large trailer. I tower a 3 ton excavator with my truck to build my home office.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by petters »

> But what if you're an environmentally conscious mother who needs to drive the 5 minute walk to your kids' school? Surely, a modern car must be less polluting?

> CO2 emissions/km:

No, you have already compared fuel consumption. This is equivalent.

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