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Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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One time Sergey asked me: "Can you juggle?" I said "Yes! If you don't mind that all the balls land on the floor." Sergey found someone else to juggle with. That person became CEO of a major Alphabet company.

Has someone collected all of these classic Silicon Valley nepotism stories anywhere?

I mean they are no different that the trash stories you'd read about robber barons in the 1800s (poor orphan got offered a job, smart worker talked to railroad tycoon, etc).

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It's a little of both but the built environment is the primary issue. We have neighbors - sometimes we need someone to grab a package, or we make too much food and we share, &c. or we run into each other walking to a restaurant or through the park. But this isn't the norm. We live in a neighborhood built before the introduction of cars, so homes are built a little bit closer together, but not too close, and we have m…

I don’t think the built environment is that determinative. I live in a car-dependent suburb. Walk Score 2. My neighbor knows the whole street. She knows the garbage men. It’s because she wants to. When I run into her outside, she chats. She walks her dog and chats with dog owners and anyone else she sees. Easy relationships are available at the grocery store, post office, etc. I’ve been seeing some of the same people…

It's absolutely the built environment. Your Costco example is a clear example. you drive to Costco, you walk in, grab generic packaged goods without needing to really talk to anyone, and then go to the checkout and use the automated kiosk to make your purchase.

There's no reason to have a human interaction, so why would you bother getting to know the cashier? You're never going to build a relationship with the cashier precisely because of the environmental structure.

Contrast that with walking down the street to a local store that one of your neighbors owns. I bet you would already have a relationship unless you chose not to. Why? Because you'd also see them at your kids birthday party, or you'd see them at the bark down the street, or out on a walk.

Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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post #27

It's been great to see. Google's AI efforts have truly seen a resurgence in quality with his return. What I enjoy about this article is the fact that it presents a view that now seems relatively rare: the idea that you may have a purpose beyond pleasure and that pursuing that purpose is a more fulfilling pleasure than any comfort you could give yourself. I think that kind of thing strikes many people. Sometimes like…

I'd have guessed that Google's rapid advance with Gemini was more due to the merger of Google Brain with DeepMind under Demis Hassabis than the return of Sergey Brin. I remember seeing an interview (Dwarkesh?) with Sholto Douglas who had been working at Google at the time (now at Anthropic) who said he would work late there and the only other person was Sergey Brin, apparently wanting to be part of (or following) the…

To be fair, working late doesn't have quite the same effect when nobody is going to judge you for not coming in on time or at all the next day.

Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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Sergey's challenge looks like is not in retiring early or with non-work. We had a high performing co-worker who was scared witless after a lay-off episode and this was not because he was worried about lacking money or loss of prestige., but because he could not come to terms with the simple fact of facing the 9 am on a Monday morning with absolutely no expectations. It freaked so much to not feel the hustle and the a…

I recently rewatched a Tested Q&A where Adam Savage discussed his post-Mythbusters life; his framing of that duality was very similar: https://youtu.be/2tZ0EGJIgD8?t=322.

It aligns with a common design principle: constraints often make a problem space easier to navigate. I suspect life is similar. Having limited time creates a "specialness" that is easily lost when you suddenly have an infinite amount of time at your disposal.

Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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If I could I'd retire tomorrow, I have so many projects I would like to take on, I have the feeling I could fill 3 lives with them: gardening, learning math, system programming, wine tasting, carpentry, sport, traveling etc... There are *so* many interesting things to do and so little time. I guess time will tell but at the moment I have a hard time imagining myself getting bored.

It's about scale, when you built something as grand as google you don't want to spend time building a garden

For some people that's the case. For others after working on something so large they want to do something small that is wholly theirs.

Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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But this person was laid off. His help was (apparently) not appreciated, and he's not helping anyone by sitting alone in his car on the parking lot. Do you think it is healthy behavior to go to a parking lot at 0900 every day and do nothing because you mentally cannot face the idea of not going to an office?

> His help was (apparently) not appreciated That's just your take. We don't know where he sat in the team, so we can assume the idea that he wasn't appreciated by his teammates as incorrect. He didn't make the cut based on unknown metrics from upper management, but they have their own reasons for doing things. Getting in to the parking lot of the old office sounds way healthier than not making it out of bed at all.

> Getting in to the parking lot of the old office sounds way healthier than not making it out of bed at all.

Missing your ex and lying around depressed in bed is less unhealthy than getting into the car and sitting outside their house.

Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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post #215

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I do think about this in the context of other tech companies, the "bidirectionality of enforcement", or whatever you want to call it Let's say you have Facebook, which is notorious for banning people yet never seems to ban the things people report that should be banned. That's a real life example, but take any hypothetical company If someone posts x bad thing and doesn't get banned, do we immediately take our torches…

I think companies like Google dont even try like they are "Too Big to be Regulated". Facebook is much worse because everyghing on there is user gemerated. Any small company would be just crushed by governments if they would have similar issues.

I think they are similar to FedEx. FedEx knows that millions of packages per day are transporting illegal goods, any bad enough accident shows it. However, FedEx would absolutely go bankrupt if they tried to open every package and make sure the contents were good. At the end of the day, that's the government's job.

If the DEA and ATF wants to staff every shipping hub with people checking every package, that's fine by them (though admittedly it would hurt revenues).

For Google and Facebook and all the other user-content sites, it's just impossible to actually, fully uphold the law themselves, so their best bet is just to try to make it a pleasant experience for the users and leave upholding the law to the upholders of the law.

Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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I took a moment to participate in an ARIN (https://www.arin.net) call. They drive policy for IP addresses that run the Internet. Anyway, one thing that stood out to me was during a portion of the conference the organization was holding elections for open seats. The seats are open to anyone, I'm pretty sure.

There were a bunch of people, from across the country, MANY in retirement, trying their best to sell themselves that they are the right candidate.

Sergey can just make a phone call and he gets to build Gemini and run a billion dollar organization and have meaning in old-age. This is what wealth buys you. The rest of us, I guess, we will be arm-wresteling for the few open oppertunities to make an impact.

Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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post #108

Sergey is brilliant but it's really the lightsaber that is super voting shares that make him uniquely empowered to slash through Google's immense bureaucracy.

Brin wasn’t bothered to wield any of that power to try to arrest the decline in Google’s search quality. He wasn’t bothered to direct the Chrome team to support MathML, or to bring back Google Reader, or do anything about a hundred small insults like, say, the deletion of YouTube comments with URLs to keep the rubes inside the casino. But he was able and willing to come back and wield his clout because he was bored a…

I loved google reader, many people were blogging and social network was "ick" as people immediately associated the term with okcupid/friendster(myspace?) and reader was decentralised and encouraged all walks of life to participate... maybe I just missed the vibes back then, gosh I was so hopeful

Re: Sergey Brin's Unretirement

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post #343

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> If you think you have no agency why do anything at all? I addressed that in my comment, but let me address it again since it's the most frequent objection to this: > You could choose to stop doing anything. In the mechanical sense that an "IF ... THEN ... ELSE" statement makes the program "choose" which branch to take, you're right, yes I could. But then I'd also suffer the consequences. As I pointed out, if I were…

I think we agree. The subtelty is that, it is about closed and open systems. Your partial knowledge makes things a locally open system. You are processing new data and then acting accordingly. That's dynamic agency. The better you can get knowledge, the better you can influence the next step. That realization happens at the meta level and gives you agency in your actual universe. Even though at the meta-meta level, t…

So again, this is basically the compatibilist stance. To me, it rings hollow because it glosses over whether you actually made a decision in a way that is qualtitively different from how a clock "chooses" to move the minute hand one minute further.

And so I would answer to your question about regrets that I don't believe you had that choice. That you couldn't have chosen differently given the same inputs and state. Your "choice" followed the preceding state with the same predictability as a well functioning clock.

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